Cheat Engine Forum Index Cheat Engine
The Official Site of Cheat Engine
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 


Show us the source code.
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Cheat Engine Forum Index -> Cheat Engine
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
appalsap
Moderator
Reputation: 0

Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 6753
Location: Pakistan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

purpletree wrote:
If your not going to take legal action then a portion of people wont abide by it since all theyre risking is a possible band, to my knowledge you cant do much else without legal action.


I'm raising public awareness of the license. I don't expect that the rogue UCE distributors be sued, I just expect that they not be able to use the official CE site to advertise their websites, get money from the ads in their UCE popups, etc. etc.


purpletree wrote:
I never didnt understand, i was just stating my opinions.


You don't understand. Don't pretend you do.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
purpletree
Master Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 379
Location: 'West' Boca Raton, FL

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So your basically saying to just keep it off of this site, Uzeil can continue posting his on his UzeForum and other people can continue posting theirs on Gzp, Mb, Gzn, MPC, etc.


i dont really care what you know i know and dont.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
appalsap
Moderator
Reputation: 0

Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 6753
Location: Pakistan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure they can, but that's none of my business because I am not a part of those sites and those aren't official CE sites.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Uzeil
Moderator
Reputation: 6

Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 2411

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's treating me as if I'm a special case and have perfect reason to not give out my source, and yet she's basically trying to tell everyone that if they had access to their .exe, then they get to request the source code. No matter the case, no matter how much they've done to depart from CE, etc etc etc.

That includes it being on their site, unless their site is private.

For instance, I can make a private subforum on my site to release new versions in, and only give access to the people who I trust not to request the source. As long as no one gets my engine based from CE that is going to ask for the source, I'm safe.

Thanks for the awareness!

_________________


Mini Engine v3.0
Mipla v1.0

Reposted old threads out of the MS section.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
appalsap
Moderator
Reputation: 0

Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 6753
Location: Pakistan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uzeil wrote:
She's treating me as if I'm a special case


you are are a special case in all the arguments you presented, but under the license mini engine is still a derivative work.



Uzeil wrote:
she's basically trying to tell everyone that if they had access to their .exe, then they get to request the source code.


correct.

Uzeil wrote:
No matter the case, no matter how much they've done to depart from CE, etc etc etc.


correct, it is still a derivative work.

Uzeil wrote:
That includes it being on their site, unless their site is private.


How is putting it on your personal site any different?

Do I smell sarcasm?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chocolate}
Expert Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
Posts: 121
Location: 51 Kirby St Reservoir, Victoria Melbourne, Australia 3073 LOL! No joke Come Stalk me!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL Ctrl+C/V
_________________
Life is like a Box of Chocolate
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Dark Byte
Site Admin
Reputation: 475

Joined: 09 May 2003
Posts: 25976
Location: The netherlands

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only 'major' thing ignoring the open source part of the license does is losing support from several members of the CE community that know how the source works, and removal of this forum and perhaps other sites as well.

Also, when you release your binary you don't have to put the source with it, it only means that if someone aks you for the source for a binary they obtained, you are obliged to give him/her the sourcecode (you could be an ass and print it out and ask for payment for the ammount of paper and the shipping costs)
And of course, it's a matter of good courtesy if you just put the source up on the site...

_________________
Tools give you results. Knowledge gives you control.

Like my help? Join me on Patreon so i can keep helping


Last edited by Dark Byte on Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:28 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message MSN Messenger
Uzeil
Moderator
Reputation: 6

Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 2411

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sarcasm on the 'thanks for the awareness', sure.

I wasn't being sarcastic when I was talking about... everything you said was correct, basically.

When I was talking about being on a private site, I meant they would only have to give the source to someone who requests it that is allowed access. Simply providing RCE makers an easy way out of getting their code jacked. I wasn't saying that it was a way of getting around giving it to people that have access to the .exe


Edit:
DB: Thanks for the printing idea Smile Another form of hope.

_________________


Mini Engine v3.0
Mipla v1.0

Reposted old threads out of the MS section.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Psyniac
Advanced Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 71

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dark Byte wrote:
The only 'major' thing ignoring the open source part of the license does is losing support from several members of the CE community that know how the source works, and removal of this forum and perhaps other sites as well.

Also, when you release your binary you don't have to put the source with it, it only means that if someone aks you for the source for a binary they obtained, you are obliged to give him/her the sourcecode (you could be an ass and print it out and ask for payment for the ammount of paper and the shipping costs)
And of course, it's a matter of good courtesy if you just put the source up on the site...


So your saying I can request Uzeil's source code for Mini Engine, given the fact that he has released the CE itself in the past?

_________________
My post count does not reflect my mental capacity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Uzeil
Moderator
Reputation: 6

Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 2411

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, but you can only request for up to 2.2 (which I don't actually have anymore). Which has bugs you won't be able to fix, and you know I would make it a completely unreasonable process for getting the source.

I'd also have to delete fixes at random, and delete entire forms, chunks of code, and unrewrite a lot of code to it's old shitty structure. Just so I can then irritate you more with how tough it would be to get the source, and remind you that you're the reason that v3.0 will never be released publicly to any extent.

_________________


Mini Engine v3.0
Mipla v1.0

Reposted old threads out of the MS section.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
purpletree
Master Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 379
Location: 'West' Boca Raton, FL

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats sadening.

Last edited by purpletree on Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:48 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Psyniac
Advanced Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 71

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uzeil wrote:
Yep, but you can only request for up to 2.2 (which I don't actually have anymore). Which has bugs you won't be able to fix, and you know I would make it a completely unreasonable process for getting the source.

I'd also have to delete fixes at random, and delete entire forms, chunks of code, and unrewrite a lot of code to it's old shitty structure. Just so I can then irritate you more with how tough it would be to get the source, and remind you that you're the reason that v3.0 will never be released publicly to any extent.


It was hypothetical, Uzeil. No need to get worked up just over a question.

_________________
My post count does not reflect my mental capacity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Uzeil
Moderator
Reputation: 6

Joined: 21 Oct 2006
Posts: 2411

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was talking hypothetical as well. No need to misinterperet me Smile
_________________


Mini Engine v3.0
Mipla v1.0

Reposted old threads out of the MS section.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Psyniac
Advanced Cheater
Reputation: 0

Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 71

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the internet, things said can be interpreted many different ways.
_________________
My post count does not reflect my mental capacity.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
appalsap
Moderator
Reputation: 0

Joined: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 6753
Location: Pakistan

PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uzeil wrote:
Yep, but you can only request for up to 2.2 (which I don't actually have anymore). Which has bugs you won't be able to fix, and you know I would make it a completely unreasonable process for getting the source.

I'd also have to delete fixes at random, and delete entire forms, chunks of code, and unrewrite a lot of code to it's old shitty structure. Just so I can then irritate you more with how tough it would be to get the source, and remind you that you're the reason that v3.0 will never be released publicly to any extent.


I'd request the source for 2.2 which is the binary I have. Not a modified 2.2 meant to fuck things up for me, plain ol' 2.2.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Cheat Engine Forum Index -> Cheat Engine All times are GMT - 6 Hours
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Page 2 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

CE Wiki   IRC (#CEF)   Twitter
Third party websites