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davidswifty How do I cheat?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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why does this have to happen while we're waiting on the new table update for hearts of iron.
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p0xus Newbie cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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If it is a problem of legal fees, then perhaps we could crowd fund it? Granted, this is unlikely. The member base here is somewhat small and legal fees to fight the ESA will probably be quite high.
Oh, and David, right?
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Recifense I post too much
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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davidswifty wrote: | why does this have to happen while we're waiting on the new table update for hearts of iron. |
Just e-mail me. Table is already under testing.
Cheers!
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Ubykh Cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | ESA member companies include, but are not limited to: 505 Games, Activision Publishing, Inc., Bethesda Softworks LLC, Blizzard Entertainment, Capcom USA, Inc., Electronic Arts (EA), Epic Games, Inc., Konami Digital Entertainment, Microsoft Corporation, Bandai Namco Entertainment Inc., Nintendo of America Inc., Sony Interactive Entertainment, Square Enix, Inc., Take-Two Interactive Software, Inc., and Ubisoft Entertainment, Inc. |
I can't say for the others, but I can say that regarding Ubisoft, there is absolutely no issue with the CE tables and trainers used in single player mode.
We even allowed EAC removal for single players on Watch Dogs 2 expressly for that, to allow single player cheaters to play the way they wanted, without impacting the fair experience of other players in multi.
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STN I post too much
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Ubykh wrote: |
I can't say for the others, but I can say that regarding Ubisoft, there is absolutely no issue with the CE tables and trainers used in single player mode.
We even allowed EAC removal for single players on Watch Dogs 2 expressly for that, to allow single player cheaters to play the way they wanted, without impacting the fair experience of other players in multi.
I can investigate a bit with our Legal to see if they have any info from ESA, but no guarantee. |
That was very nice indeed, the community had given up on watch dogs 2 (i know i did) until someone posted the way to disable eac in game.
Why is ubisoft increasingly making their games with values stored server-side in games with single player experience, that doesn't seem very sp cheat friendly and some people didn't buy your games for this reason e,g For Honor. I don't know your position so maybe you don't know the answer but thought i'd ask anyway.
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Ubykh Cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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(that's not exactly the topic, on FH, but no ban has or will be issued on FH for single-player only cheating.
Regarding value-storage, it's by design, as the game is mainly multi, so sometimes certain breaches in single cannot be easily allowed if we want to keep the multi safe and fair (but again, no bans on single cheat only.)
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azraal How do I cheat?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Hi lurking here for a very long time I looked at the thread talking about CE in mr Antifun forum, he did receive a similar letter in 2015 and asked beth.
And they confirmed they didn't issued it . Also they seemed to be targeted too. Or so he said at least.
mrantifun(dot)net/index(dot)php?threads/cheat-engine-is-under-attack-by-copyright-infringement.12515/#post-130150
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sbryzl Master Cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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azraal wrote: | Hi lurking here for a very long time I looked at the thread talking about CE in mr Antifun forum, he did receive a similar letter in 2015 and asked beth.
And they confirmed they didn't issued it . Also they seemed to be targeted too. Or so he said at least.
mrantifun(dot)net/index(dot)php?threads/cheat-engine-is-under-attack-by-copyright-infringement.12515/#post-130150 |
Looking into this more it doesn't seem add up. ESA doesn't even have a history of litigating illegal things like piracy let alone something legal like cheating. They mainly focus on fighting state censorship of games. I am beginning to have my doubts of the legitimacy of the notice.
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Dark Byte Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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they did reply to my reply, stating they are pleased with my cooperation, so that means the domain the email came from is valid(theesa.com) and they acknowledge that they sent it.
but as of yet have not pointed out anything specific
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mgr.inz.Player I post too much
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dark Byte wrote: | but as of yet have not pointed out anything specific |
Not a single CT or CETRAINER file? Not a single forum thread?
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Viloresi Expert Cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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You should show them your cute pony face and let them fall in love
God , gave innate abilities to each one of us.
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Doege How do I cheat?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm new here and came in purely for the learning/programming aspect. What an amazing resource! The source code, this forum, the community and DB, thank you so much.
And yes, this thread was shocking to read.
I don't think there is anything illegal here according to NL law, just stuff the big boys on the other side of the pond do not like. But it matters not what is right, wrong, legal or illegal. They throw their mass around making threats on single individual, and it works, how any private individual can stand up against faceless organization with deep pockets and professional lawyers? How many of you would be willing to face years legal process, thousands of hours of work and hundreds of sleepless nights. All that cost too... It does not matter if the individual will win... all that effort is wasted, that is the real threat, more than any individual can handle, and that is what they count on.
If their requests are reasonable it is easiest to cooperate, compromise, add moderators etc.. If something needs to be censored or restricted, I'm sure it will pop up somewhere else in the depths of the web where no single person can be targeted the same way, so nothing is lost.
If they are unreasonable, like demanding things without being specific (like the excerpt from their letter I saw, specifying no laws broken, with no specific clients or products, no specific pages or threads offending them) it is best just to say that you cannot do anything without them being more specific. That way they need at least work a little. Same goes for emails. Things are not real (or legal) until you get paper letter from a verifiable company in your home country.
Print out everything you receive and send, just in case. I also suggest to consider legal advice. Few hundred Euros at this point just to hear that you have nothing to worry can make you sleep much better.
One way is to form a company to develop CE and to run the forum. It hires DB for 1€ per month. It's the magic of corporations, no personal risk or liability involved. (How else you think people get rich?)
I don't mean to patronize either. Whatever DB decides, must be accepted and supported from every single one of us. This is his creation and his work and his time and life.
Also I want to add that I read the forum today for the first time and I saw many idiotic posts, and each time DB personally answered, in informative, polite and nice way, totally going out of his way for every single one of us.
I would also recommend moderators to ensure a backup plan(s) so the community can function even if shit hits the fan. What if this forum goes dead by court order or other nasty surprise? Who, and how, then, can we support DB? If people can communicate and work together, we have much better chance of supporting DB in whichever path he decides to take.
Humbly,
Doege the awesome programmer
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StarTeddy Newbie cheater
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Recifense wrote: | davidswifty wrote: | why does this have to happen while we're waiting on the new table update for hearts of iron. |
Just e-mail me. Table is already under testing.
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Hey Reci,
i emailed you
Best regards!
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SunBeam I post too much
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Dark Byte wrote: | they did reply to my reply, stating they are pleased with my cooperation, so that means the domain the email came from is valid(theesa.com) and they acknowledge that they sent it.
but as of yet have not pointed out anything specific |
Just letting you know I (hopefully, we) have your back. Need anything, do ask without hesitation.
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XavierPrice How do I cheat?
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Infringing upon... what utter bollocks! You don't charge a single penny for any of this stuff, and it's implied you have to own the game to hack it anyway. And we all understand hacking anything online risks breaking ToS and getting ourselves banned. There's nothing infringed upon. If nothing else, it enhances the experience for people that want to dick around in a game they already own. If we're 'ruining the experience' for ourselves, so what!? It's OUR experience.
Fucking cockups like this piss me off. Not surprised Bethesda's name's attached to it all, either. They do love their lawsuits.
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