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3viserate How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: CE 5.3 |
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This is a multi question topic its in this subject becasue my first question has to do with CE itself not anythign to do with a trainer quesiton. am tired have been beating my brain for the past three days with prob 4 hours of sleep so if in wrong sub forum i apologize in advance.
Scarface The World is Yours PC
Hmm So im taking it that theres no way to get around my game crashing when i try to Find out what reads from this address? debug works fine for the other options just not this one. Reason i ask is ive made it through all the tutorials however dealing with multiple Pointers i can never get to a static pointer, kinda feel like a dog chasing his own tail. tutorial was great describing simple multi pointer problems however trying to deal with new games is rather difficult. Atleast for me anyways. Ive only used Tsearch which is quick and to the point finding me the addresses i need but simple noping out is rather lame i like the options of code injection and finding code caves which CE rocks being a total AIO.
Now my second question using CE ive found addresses for health, ammo, car life, money, cocaine however i dont think they are static addresses im sure if i made a trainer with the pokes on the addresses i have now then the trainer wouldnt work on someone elses pc >< Now this was my first attack on a large scale game as far as hacking memory, now when i found the money and cocaine addresses they were pretty easy to figure out. However the health, ammo, and car were a pain int he you know what due to the fact of having multiple addresses recording the same values. Whitch i have come to be leive like for hte ammo i know one address is my actual ammo, anotehr address is just the numbers that display as my ammo and not the actual count. but theres two others that no matter how i change them they have no effect on my actual ammo amount so dont know about that one but yet they always keep the same value you as my actual ammo count. unless i freeze it, but as soon as i un freeze it i goes right to the true count, any ideas?
Third question when i finnaly found my health address was happy as hell until i ran up to a mob and couldnt kill them unless i got a head shot. So inadvertanly when i nopped out the address that controlled my health it apparently did the same to every other players health therefore making godmode a real pain in the butt. same witht he car lifeif i had the poke on my cars life i couldnt blow up anyone elses car. Am i stuck with that or is there ways around it?
Please keep in mind ive never hacked a big game like this ive mostly hacked stupid games while i was bored in class lol. I do have a rather decent grasp on ASM thanks to the 3 tuts here and other places i have read. so i can figure out somewhat of what is going on but this whole DMA and multi pointers has me mind boggled. In one of the tutorials it showed someone using the "Find out what reads from this address" debug option however i cant use it or my game crashes. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Btw ive learned a lot from this site so i give major props to everyone that has written a tutorial. ive prob read a huge chunk of themlol. this is what happens when i get interested in something learning pc lang, hacks, all of this is like crack to me i cant get enough of it. So please dont think of this as a TELL THE ANSWER post. I want to learn this so if you can point me to the right posts to help me figure out my mistakes. And before you throw the use the search button Boot at me, ive prob spent the last 3 days scouring over this site so i might have missed something but i did search first before i posted. Mostly all i keep seeing are Maple story hacks tuts which are ok i guess but im not trying to hack MMorg im only interested in Single player for now till i can get to the point to hack the online side of games.
3viserate
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Labyrnth Moderator
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Ok first of all, I can tell by your detailed post you have been reading and understand what you have came up against.
Question 1:
T-Search is a great tool. and you can do code injections with it as well, using Trainer Maker Kit. These 2 tools work hand in hand with each other.
And with "easy write" you can do an injection.
Now CE has a simple way of showing you example code to learn how to do a code injection. But what it is not showing you is how to find a code cave.
When using Trainer Maker Kit and doing injections you have to find a cave yourself. CE is a great tool as well. But learning to use either or is the best thing, a game hacker cant have too many tools in his toolbox.
Question 2:
"Find out what reads" I get crashes from this as well on some.
But you need "find what writes"
| Quote: | | Pointers i can never get to a static pointer, kinda feel like a dog chasing his own tail. tutorial was great describing simple multi pointer problems however trying to deal with new games is rather difficult. | This is the part that most dont understand about the tutorials. It is going to be different in real situations.
Ammo, try other scan types to see what you get on the ammo.
IF you freeze one and then it jumps to the real ammo count after you unfreeze it. Then there is another address controlling it.
Find "what writes" to the address you are freezing.
Question 3:
This is getting common in games more and more.
The problem is the same instruction is controlling health for you and the enemy.
But in the same breath, the game has to know the difference between enemy and you.
So you need to do a structured health hack.
I was watching a guy named SunBeam hack a game like this.
You will see something different in memory view in the lower box to reference between you and enemy.
In his game, the difference was a C.
In the game he was a commando. And when he got hit i seen a C = commando and when enemy was hit it was a M for monster.
* Not sure about M for th enemy char but i think it was a M could have been a E. But you get the idea.
What im getting at here is you will have to do a comparison to get it to work for god mode. There is a difference between them in the bytes.
This what your are looking for: http://www.extalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1999
Good Luck:
And thank you for a very knowledgeable descriptive post to get help.
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3viserate How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for the response and it wasnt a "OMG you looser you cant figure this out such a nubsauce" <<<< I see this too much on forums nowa days instead of posting constructive help so thanks for the mature response.
Another quick ? say in this game i have several weapon options ie.. handgun, atuo rifle, grenade launcher etc...
is there going to be a set address that controlls all of them like will that be at the top of the tree or am i going to be stuck trying to find the top address for all weapon category then coding all of those together to fix the ammo amount?
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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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On weapons it really depends on the game.
Like i found in Joint Operations weapons had separate address for except a couple used the same one.
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