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finnegan waking up
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| Channel GannoK wrote: | | Csimbi wrote: | Clifford, the bid red dog?
I don't. |
no they are talking about the reject catamite that frequented this forum and is probably too busy for jesus |
at least cefrs has had one good christian
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | | maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
I don't understand why anyone would get tired of this.
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | most likely he has a community/friends that align more closely with his views/opinions/values. some people sperg out and can't handle criticism. a lot naturally close off the rest of the world and isolate themselves in a fictional reality of hive-minded individuals creating this illusion that what they view as normal is normal. often times when presented with contradicting evidence it goes in one ear and out the other; it doesn't change their argument for the belief they hold in any way.
he didn't get any special treatment while on here. we didn't bash him harder than anyone else. maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | TheIndianGuy wrote: | | maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
I don't understand why anyone would get tired of this. |
no surprise, you're obsessed with glorifying abuse and humiliation.
to others, it's not okay to verbally abuse people
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| greatsage wrote: | | TheIndianGuy wrote: | most likely he has a community/friends that align more closely with his views/opinions/values. some people sperg out and can't handle criticism. a lot naturally close off the rest of the world and isolate themselves in a fictional reality of hive-minded individuals creating this illusion that what they view as normal is normal. often times when presented with contradicting evidence it goes in one ear and out the other; it doesn't change their argument for the belief they hold in any way.
he didn't get any special treatment while on here. we didn't bash him harder than anyone else. maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | TheIndianGuy wrote: | | maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
I don't understand why anyone would get tired of this. |
no surprise, you're obsessed with glorifying abuse and humility.
to others, it's not okay to verbally abuse people |
It's the christian way. There is no hate like christian love. Funny how you say Clifford/shot/troglodyte supreme was the only real christian here. Who are you to say what intrepretation Of the Christian faith is true? You're a fucking muslim.
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finnegan waking up
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| Channel GannoK wrote: | | greatsage wrote: | | TheIndianGuy wrote: | most likely he has a community/friends that align more closely with his views/opinions/values. some people sperg out and can't handle criticism. a lot naturally close off the rest of the world and isolate themselves in a fictional reality of hive-minded individuals creating this illusion that what they view as normal is normal. often times when presented with contradicting evidence it goes in one ear and out the other; it doesn't change their argument for the belief they hold in any way.
he didn't get any special treatment while on here. we didn't bash him harder than anyone else. maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | TheIndianGuy wrote: | | maybe he just rather spend his free time doing something else than browsing cef and getting verbally abused. |
I don't understand why anyone would get tired of this. |
no surprise, you're obsessed with glorifying abuse and humiliation.
to others, it's not okay to verbally abuse people |
It's the christian way. There is no hate like christian love. Funny how you say Clifford/shot/troglodyte supreme was the only real christian here. Who are you to say what intrepretation Of the Christian faith is true? You're a fucking muslim. |
the christian faith teaches to speak good or remain silent. and so that seems like he's doing a good job as a christian. i can bear witness to what i have and have not seen, Kyle.
indeed, as I was raised christian, you can come to Islam from any religion.
you do realise that Muslims are required to believe in and follow Jesus, and we are very intimately aware of what their religion teaches? besides, no christian faith can be misguided if they are upheld by their following of the commands of Jesus, peace be upon him. so in that way, the truth was that taught by Jesus, and if they are contrary to Jesus, they can not be truly good christians.
i didn't say only real christian, either. but clearly, if there are others -- they dont care to live by their faith or publicly demonstrate it. that's forbidden in islam (except in the case where you may be killed for islam), even if christianity teaches contrarily;
to avoid nonbelievers as they are unclean and unrighteous, and not be together with them.
but yes, you hit the nail on the head:
not only do Christians see God as permeating everything, but also see God as incapable and unwilling of mercy, justice, or forgiveness without a naked, gruesome, innocent blood sacrifice.
& then they idolise the object of abuse and humiliation while mocking and scorning anyone who doesn't do the same, and even those who do.
if they believe God requires torturous humiliation while refusing to answer the prayers of the oppressed for salvation from it--
why would they ever think God requires different from His believers (such as merciful treatment to others), while they believe God to be unwilling to do such even for His chosen servants?
it comes to no surprise that, as you said, there is no hate like christian love.
it is a consequence of glorifying abuse and humiliation, and requiring submission to it.
| TheIndianGuy wrote: | | *clap clap clap* you can see the flaws between 'perfection' (religion), the individual (humans who are imperfect and make errors), the disconnect between the two, and possibly even the irrationality of the human view of perfection. |
the christian religion believes that it is the way for God to make man into perfection (God). and as such believe that perfection is Jesus, and through Jesus they are perfected.
"For the Son of God became man so that we might become God."
really, this is what Jesus never taught. so there is but irrationality there
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The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?”[b] 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Quote: | John 8:52-58
The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon! Abraham died, as did the prophets, yet you say, ‘If anyone keeps my word, he will never taste death.’ 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? And the prophets died! Who do you make yourself out to be?” 54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’[a] 55 But you have not known him. I know him. If I were to say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and I keep his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am saying I have seen him"
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callingchristians.com/2014/02/27/the-problem-of-john-858-for-christianity/
facebook.com/callingchristians/videos/430336287543595/
bismikaallahuma.org/bible/i-am-what-i-am-a-bible-commentary/
there is absolutely no claim to divinity here.
the original Greek word for “I AM” in John 8:58 is ‘egoo eimi’ or in Greek ‘egw eimi’.
while the original Greek in Exodus 3:14 is 'Egoo Eimi Ho Oon', so there can be no doubt that Jesus is not quoting or repeating it.
from context we can see from Jeremiah 1:5
| Quote: | | “Before I formed you in the womb I knew[a] you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.” |
before birth the prophets are set apart and known. as it was not a claim to divinity to be known prior to birth for Jeremiah, it can not possibly be as such for Jesus, peace be upon them both.
that is why the various translators of the New Testament had translated John 8:58 into many ways and had not stick to merely translating it into “I AM”:
| Quote: | 1869: “From before Abraham was, I have been.” The New Testament, by G. R. Noyes.
1935: “I existed before Abraham was born!” The Complete Bible: An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed.
1965: “Before Abraham was born, I was already the one that I am.” Das Neue Testament, by J?rg Zink.
1981: “I was alive before Abraham was born!” The Simple English Bible.
1984: “Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.” New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
1999: “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!” New Living Translation by Tyndale House Publishers, Inc. |
furthermore, you are saying that immediately after Jesus 'claims divinity' -- that he flees for his life.
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58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am saying I have seen him"
59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. |
are you saying the Almighty God has to hide in fear for His life? or worse-- that God can only make claim to His authority through vague, implicit statements?
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I didnt realize I had to be a Muslim to appreciate and understand christian culture. You've opened my eyes
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| Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Channel GannoK wrote: | | I didnt realize I had to be a Muslim to appreciate and understand christian culture. You've opened my eyes |
i would argue that a necessary part of Christianity is that it can't be understood. and it definitely isn't that we appreciate all of their culture. you don't have to be religious to appreciate your fellow man or any goodness they hold
| Quote: | | The Catholic Church wrote: | The mystery of the Most Holy Trinity is the central mystery of Christian faith and life.
The Vatican Council has explained the meaning to be attributed to the term mystery in theology. It lays down that a mystery is a truth which we are not merely incapable of discovering apart from Divine Revelation, but which, even when revealed, remains “hidden by the veil of faith and enveloped, so to speak, by a kind of darkness |
| evangelical scholar Harold Lindsell and seminary professor Charles Woodbridge wrote: | | “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind; but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul.” |
these evolved beliefs are odds with statements in the Bible that “God is not the author of confusion” (1 Corinthians 14:33) and “the simplicity that is in Christ” (2 Corinthians 11:3)
why would God reveal something that cannot be fully comprehended, and yet tie our salvation to it? clearly, the trinity is a man made doctrine. |
| Quote: | [Qur'an 3:113-115] And among the People of the Book is an upright community who recite God’s signs in the watches of the night while they prostrate. They believe in God and the Last Day, enjoin right and forbid wrong, and hasten unto good deeds. And they are among the righteous. Whatsoever good they do, they will not be denied it.
[Qur'an 49:13] “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other).
Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
[Qur'an 3:113-114] "Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] are a portion that stand (For the right):
They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works:
They are in the ranks of the righteous."
[Qur'an 31:14-15] if they strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not,
but behave with them in the world kindly, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience.
Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do” |
this is in great contrast to the christian religion that teaches there is no righteousness in those who do not believe.
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | | Channel GannoK wrote: | | I didnt realize I had to be a Muslim to appreciate and understand christian culture. You've opened my eyes |
that's not what he said, nor even came close to implying. its funny how you choose to take certain statements literally and others you choose to create your own narrative (technically when you take statements literally you're creating your own narrative), but always fail to read between the lines. |
i dont know how to tell him that without making things worse
maybe clifford would be someone equipped enough to offer intelligent&informed exchange on christianity with me. i dont know if anyone else here would be even interested to care about the subject, especially to offer any educated contentions/elucidations
most of you are atheist/agnostic anyways, so id imagine if a muslim cant understand or comment on christianity then kyle can't understand or comment on either of the religions
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You guys are obsessed with my trolling of your religion, it's like you've adopted me as your saving grace of your boring, sad lives, which is why you read, reply, and anticipate my comments, typing gloves on, your lube warmed up, coffee ready for your big brain text dumps and reputations and refutations, only to be made fun of for believing and defending something unverifiable, essentially a waste of everyone's time, because no ones opinions have changed, like at all. Ever. Especially for a white Muslim convert. It's hilarious and wonderful. It's like having a cake and eating it too.
Religion is dumb, makes you close your mind if you want to be a "real believer" and you're dumb for believing in anything that which you cant use the scientific method to prove. This is coming from a place of love, i swear.
a bunch of you are fucking degenerates and I wouldn't respect you even if I got paid to
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| Channel GannoK wrote: | You guys are obsessed with my trolling of your religion, it's like you've adopted me as your saving grace of your boring, sad lives, which is why you read, reply, and anticipate my comments, typing gloves on, your lube warmed up, coffee ready for your big brain text dumps and reputations and refutations, only to be made fun of for believing and defending something unverifiable, essentially a waste of everyone's time, because no ones opinions have changed, like at all. Ever. Especially for a white Muslim convert. It's hilarious and wonderful. It's like having a cake and eating it too.
Religion is dumb, makes you close your mind if you want to be a "real believer" and you're dumb for believing in anything that which you cant use the scientific method to prove. This is coming from a place of love, i swear.
a bunch of you are fucking degenerates and I wouldn't respect you even if I got paid to |
i really tried to read your first sentence but there were so many commas i could only think of the first page of this thread.
the scientific method was fathered by a muslim, and that was because of what islam implores us to do -- such as contemplate the universe, life and creation, and to acquire knowledge. go learn your history instead of chronically hiding behind complacent ineptitude.
>especially for a white muslim convert
in islam we revert, because we believe everyone is born muslim. islam is not a race-oriented religion, you are reflecting your own ignorance here.
>believing and defending something unverifiable
islam and the life of the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ are verifiable historically, rationally, logically, critically, and even scientifically.
you would know this if you ever read or possessed any knowledge of what you're speaking about. whose mind is closed, again?
>makes you close your mind if you want to be a "real believer"
some religions may seem this way, but in reality this is not allowed in islam. so trying to criticise islam like this is a hasty generalisation that demonstrates your ignorance which you founded it upon.
>you're dumb for believing in anything that which you cant use the scientific method to prove
islam is not contrary to the scientific method whatsoever. and there are simply things that you can not apply the scientific method to know, so you are sounding quite immature.
the teaching of a skeptical, evidence-based assessment of all claims without exception is fundamentally an issue of intellectual integrity -- scientific inquiry is for the field of science. it is clear what you are only capable of doing is avoiding intellectual discourse.
we are under no obligation to believe anything half so silly as that science is the only road to truth. we can reasonably argue that there are lots of ways to establish truth that are not scientific.
in many ways, the scientific method is flawed and not very capable on its own. there are many other methodologies; critical thought, socratic method, aristotelian logic, experiential, etc. to establish truth.
you are basically saying that there was no way to assess or determine truth before the scientific method was invented.
>essentially a waste of everyone's time, because no ones opinions have changed, like at all.
i can guarantee you that i have witnessed numerous peoples' opinions and beliefs change over time here. you do not represent society yourself, especially being so unaware of yourself and others.
moreover, many have increased in knowledge through our discourse together, and so what could you be so opposed to ?
in fact, there are more people who are coming to islam than any other religion. and that includes atheists and christians. so really, you are believing many things you can use the scientific method to disprove; you have fallen on your own sword of witless criticism.
you don't seem to possess the capacity to act or rise above immaturity, so it is no wonder you could never respect your peers.
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I believe everyone is born a child molesting predator, but they were converted by the sick norms of western society. We should revert and convince others, because god wills it and it's for a noble cause. Thank goodness I have a infallible prophet to believe in that reaffirms my belief of poorly constructed fairy tales, for his words are the tangible truths in our world.
This is my belief, and I wish to revert you back to the true human nature.open your mind bro
Also, just because the human understanding of science, the laws of physics, and the scientific method is limited to what we know to begin with, doesnt make it flawed. Sure there are things in life that happen that we cant explain or understand. But we can try, and do tests.
You cant test getting 72 virgins in the afterlife, and you cant test reincarnation, or going to hell. To argue that because the scientific method cant test or verify or deny these claims, that it must be false is fucking retarded.
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| Channel GannoK wrote: | I believe everyone is born a child molesting predator, but they were converted by the sick norms of western society. We should revert and convince others, because god wills it and it's for a noble cause. Thank goodness I have a infallible prophet to believe in that reaffirms my belief of poorly constructed fairy tales, for his words are the tangible truths in our world.
This is my belief, and I wish to revert you back to the true human nature.open your mind bro |
so as admitted you can never approach the door of genuine intellectual discourse. as usual, you can only spew your own imaginary crap. gg getting wrecked kid, there's no coming back from this
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| greatsage wrote: | | Channel GannoK wrote: | I believe everyone is born a child molesting predator, but they were converted by the sick norms of western society. We should revert and convince others, because god wills it and it's for a noble cause. Thank goodness I have a infallible prophet to believe in that reaffirms my belief of poorly constructed fairy tales, for his words are the tangible truths in our world.
This is my belief, and I wish to revert you back to the true human nature.open your mind bro |
so as admitted you can never approach the door of genuine intellectual discourse. as usual, you can only spew your own imaginary crap. gg getting wrecked kid, there's no coming back from this |
I just described the Islamic prophet, without using his name. Isnt that supposed to make you muslims feel better or something? I'm being honest and accurate, and I'm only using your logic. I'm applying your teachings to my studies
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