Cheat Engine

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

There are SP games that crash whenever I use cheat engine or when I attach CE's debugger to make more advance cheats. For example, Borderlands 2(? can't remember which one) and many others. It's like it has DRM, which it should not have coz it's an SP game. So I wanna ask the experts here what steps I could take to prevent the game from crashing. I tried using different versions of CE or different debugger method to no avail. Mind you that simple cheats that don't require a debugger work.

Waiting for cheat makers to make the cheat sometimes takes too long or even being not made at all so I wanna learn how to do this on my own. A reference game that I'm playing right now that crashes is Disgaea 2. I made an exp multiplier using the knowledge I learned here( thanks again CE experts Smile

) and it works but the game crashes randomly. Sometimes when I attach the debugger, during battle or after a battle. The crashes are so random that I don't know what's the cause. The game never crashes without the multiplier though so I'm pretty it's the multiplier that I made.

This is the format (not exact) that I made the exp multiplier with

sub edc,eax+4
imul edc,edc,7
add eax+4,edc

++METHOS · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:09 pm Post subject:

VEH debugger. Page exceptions breakpoint method for really stubborn targets.

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

The game still crashes with that debugging method. I think it's the multiplier I made rather than the debugging itself coz it crashes even after I already injected the code and edit how the address writes.

Edit : I've experimented a lot w/ Disgaea 2 and the crashes are so random and I came to conclusion that it's really the game that's the problem and not CE. The crashes occurs after battle or during and sometimes after 2 or 3 battles Confused

. Anyone got any advice on how to prevent crashes with games like these?

ulysse31 · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:20 am Post subject:

Have you tried only attaching the debugger and seeing if the game crashes?
You've done code injection, but are you sure the function is only being used for the exp multiplier ?

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

Yes, sometimes the game crashes right after I press yes to the prompt "attaching debugger. Continue?" although I get past that most of the times. The exp multiplier that I made is actually used by any character that earns exp by killing an enemy and not for a specific character. I'm not sure if it's being used other than that though. Is there a way to know that?
Exp is the only thing multiplied as far as I could tell

STN · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:03 am Post subject:

Disgaea 2 doesnt have any anticheat/debug. Its the easiest game you will ever hack with structures all laid out nice.

Its you

ulysse31 · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:13 am Post subject:

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

STN · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:46 am Post subject:

I thought this was about disgaea2.

You should be fine with vehdebug for most games. Make sure you're on latest version of CE as well.

If the game crashes after enabling script (even after sometime) maybe your script isn't right? I don't know how to help, i have made an xp multiplier for the same game and it works fine, maybe youre injecting in wrong place.

Post your script?

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

ulysse31 · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 7:22 am Post subject:

Iam confused :

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

By that I mean running the game without any advance cheat like just editing the HP value. Yes, I've tried all of the debugging methods and the result is the same. I'm playing the PC version of Disgaea 2 and not the PS2 emu one and the game is the only that crashes.

I'm using Win 7 64 and i3 4160. What's software BP?

++METHOS · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:00 am Post subject:

As originally suggested, you sometimes have to change debugger method AND breakpoint method to avoid crashes.

akimikage · Cheater Reputation: 0 Joined: 04 Nov 2009 Posts: 38

I don't think it's the debugging method or breakpoint coz I tried every combination possible and it still crashes.

I have an idea but I don't know how to execute it. Because sometimes the game doesn't crash immediately and I can still inject a code, I want a method that can repeat injecting that code in the same place but without attaching the debugger again.

First, I find the address then inject the code then exit the game. Re-run it but inject the code without attaching the debugger again and see if that will stop the crashing but I don't know how to 0_0

++METHOS · Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:43 am Post subject:

You can inject code undetected. One way is by using SE plugin.

Attaching debugger (e.g. to check what writes/accesses) can cause crashing, even without anti-cheat/anti-debugger mechanisms in place, and even with VEH/page exceptions.

Sometimes, targets just crash because of the injection location that you are trying to hook. You can attempt to mitigate crashes in these isolated cases by choosing a different injection point.

Other than that, since others have reported a different experience with the same target, I would start with that and try to determine why that is before trying to come up with any odd-ball workarounds.