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HitIer How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 6:47 am Post subject: Strong communities make police obsolete |
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Make Police Obsolete Again!
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Impossible as long as people have free will and different opinions. Eventually it goes wrong
Perhaps when total control over people's thoughts is achieved it will be possible.
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Shrooms wrote: | Dark Byte wrote: | Impossible as long as people have free will and different opinions. Eventually it goes wrong
Perhaps when total control over people's thoughts is achieved it will be possible. |
What if I die and ressurect?
Would another Jesus justify world peace? |
Jesus never died alayhe salaam
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Shrooms wrote: | greatsage wrote: | Shrooms wrote: | Dark Byte wrote: | Impossible as long as people have free will and different opinions. Eventually it goes wrong
Perhaps when total control over people's thoughts is achieved it will be possible. |
What if I die and ressurect?
Would another Jesus justify world peace? |
Jesus never died alayhe salaam |
He was hung and died and then resurrected, unless your telling me he was not hung and he lied bout that. |
someone was made to appear as Jesus and then that person died.
Jesus alayhe salaam was Word of God, man can not kill Word of God.
the story of the resurrection is a fabrication.
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HitIer How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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greatsage wrote: | Shrooms wrote: | greatsage wrote: | Shrooms wrote: | Dark Byte wrote: | Impossible as long as people have free will and different opinions. Eventually it goes wrong
Perhaps when total control over people's thoughts is achieved it will be possible. |
What if I die and ressurect?
Would another Jesus justify world peace? |
Jesus never died alayhe salaam |
He was hung and died and then resurrected, unless your telling me he was not hung and he lied bout that. |
someone was made to appear as Jesus and then that person died.
Jesus alayhe salaam was Word of God, man can not kill Word of God.
the story of the resurrection is a fabrication. |
The case that he was resurrected is based off the pagan myths of that time. Also, DB went full fascist on this one.
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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yeah it's pretty much established that the OP is true
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 3:17 pm Post subject: |
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This is basically the same as saying we wouldn't need police if no one did crime. Nice thought, but unrealistic.
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HitIer How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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HackOtaku wrote: | This is basically the same as saying we wouldn't need police if no one did crime. Nice thought, but unrealistic. |
We have had policing for less than a hundred years
What's the unrealistic goal?
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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-_- wrote: | HackOtaku wrote: | This is basically the same as saying we wouldn't need police if no one did crime. Nice thought, but unrealistic. |
We have had policing for less than a hundred years
What's the unrealistic goal? | As a society we've had law enforcement for ages, and the "police" generally started becoming a thing in the 18th/19th century.....
The unrealistic goal is getting rid of law enforcement, derp. What's the point of law without enforcement? Who will make sure wrongdoers face justice if not the police? We can't have communities of vigilantes fighting whatever they classify as wrong.
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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HackOtaku wrote: | -_- wrote: | HackOtaku wrote: | This is basically the same as saying we wouldn't need police if no one did crime. Nice thought, but unrealistic. |
We have had policing for less than a hundred years
What's the unrealistic goal? | As a society we've had law enforcement for ages, and the "police" generally started becoming a thing in the 18th/19th century.....
The unrealistic goal is getting rid of law enforcement, derp. What's the point of law without enforcement? Who will make sure wrongdoers face justice if not the police? We can't have communities of vigilantes fighting whatever they classify as wrong. |
by "police" do you mean "runaway slave patrol"? traditional societies do not employ police. you are creating a strawman left and right making so many assumptions, not surprised coming from you
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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greatsage wrote: | HackOtaku wrote: | -_- wrote: | HackOtaku wrote: | This is basically the same as saying we wouldn't need police if no one did crime. Nice thought, but unrealistic. |
We have had policing for less than a hundred years
What's the unrealistic goal? | As a society we've had law enforcement for ages, and the "police" generally started becoming a thing in the 18th/19th century.....
The unrealistic goal is getting rid of law enforcement, derp. What's the point of law without enforcement? Who will make sure wrongdoers face justice if not the police? We can't have communities of vigilantes fighting whatever they classify as wrong. |
by "police" do you mean "runaway slave patrol"? traditional societies do not employ police. you are creating a strawman left and right making so many assumptions, not surprised coming from you | You did a good job answering my questions, and I am now convinced we don't need police. /s
The world isn't sunshine and gumdrops, there are a lot of bad people out there, and we need some way of taking care of them. Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws. Yes, corruption is a problem, but the solution isn't to absolve law enforcement and hope a "strong community" will all stand together. How about you actually make some points instead of throwing up the word strawman and calling it a day.
>"Traditional societies do not employ police"?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient_policing
Seems like we've been policing for some time. Unless you're talking about societies even older than that, to which I say, "so what?" We don't live in those societies anymore, we live in ours, and I think our society needs police.
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HitIer How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:12 am Post subject: |
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HackOtaku wrote: |
The world isn't sunshine and gumdrops, there are a lot of bad people out there, and we need some way of taking care of them. Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws. Yes, corruption is a problem, but the solution isn't to absolve law enforcement and hope a "strong community" will all stand together. How about you actually make some points instead of throwing up the word strawman and calling it a day. . |
What the fuck? Did you even read his post? We had runaway slave patrol., not police
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: |
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-_- wrote: | HackOtaku wrote: |
The world isn't sunshine and gumdrops, there are a lot of bad people out there, and we need some way of taking care of them. Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws. Yes, corruption is a problem, but the solution isn't to absolve law enforcement and hope a "strong community" will all stand together. How about you actually make some points instead of throwing up the word strawman and calling it a day. . |
What the fuck? Did you even read his post? We had runaway slave patrol., not police | That's not an issue anymore and we had police way, way before that and police after. I don't see any point that he might be trying to make, explain? Because the police in America came out of such things, it means they are inheriently bad?
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:43 am Post subject: |
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again Otaku has no idea what the hell he is talking about and just makes assumptions.
native americans would be a great example of a society that didn't employ police. they are unnecessary if you have a strong community.
traditional societies require a strong community. the idea of a cop is stupid in traditional societies.
>The world isn't sunshine and gumdrops, there are a lot of bad people out there, and we need some way of taking care of them. Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws. Yes, corruption is a problem, but the solution isn't to absolve law enforcement and hope a "strong community" will all stand together. How about you actually make some points instead of throwing up the word strawman and calling it a day
okay? how about i'll make a point: that the entirety of what i just quoted, you weren't actually responding to me, you were putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my argument. nowhere did i say to get rid of a justice/penal system. yet here you are addressing me as if i alluded to anything of the sort.
please learn what a fucking traditional society is, holy shit, because you didn't do anything but ignore what i actually said, prop up a straw man, and attack that instead.
i'm sorry, but you can't just say "don't say i'm doing what i'm doing" and get away with it
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>Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws
jesus, have you ever had a philosophy class?
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:49 am Post subject: |
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greatsage wrote: | again Otaku has no idea what the hell he is talking about and just makes assumptions.
native americans would be a great example of a society that didn't employ police. they are unnecessary if you have a strong community.
traditional societies require a strong community. the idea of a cop is stupid in traditional societies.
>The world isn't sunshine and gumdrops, there are a lot of bad people out there, and we need some way of taking care of them. Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws. Yes, corruption is a problem, but the solution isn't to absolve law enforcement and hope a "strong community" will all stand together. How about you actually make some points instead of throwing up the word strawman and calling it a day
okay? how about i'll make a point: that the entirety of what i just quoted, you weren't actually responding to me, you were putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting my argument. nowhere did i say to get rid of a justice/penal system. yet here you are addressing me as if i alluded to anything of the sort.
please learn what a fucking traditional society is, holy shit, because you didn't do anything but ignore what i actually said, prop up a straw man, and attack that instead.
i'm sorry, but you can't just say "don't say i'm doing what i'm doing" and get away with it
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>Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws
jesus, have you ever had a philosophy class? |
Starting off by poisoning the well, nice.
Native Americans also frequently fought each other is a series of tribal wars, and they didn't have an efficent method of governmemt. They might be a good example of a society w/o police, but not an example of a thriving society of progress.
Where did I put words in your mouth? The sinshine and gumdrops bit is just me saying that there is evil, not me saying you said that, stop taking everything as if it is personal. The OP says make police obsolete which is leading towards them being unneccesary and as such, worthy of being removed as a whole.
"Traditional societies" might not have needed police when eveeyone was hunting/gathering, but we're so far removed from that way of life, so there's no sense in comparison. Yeah, if everyone was a part of some tribe desicated to helping one another and no one did evil, police would be unnecessary, but I am saying that's an unrealistic pipedream.
Please point out the strawman in me saying that the idea of a strong enough community to make police obsolete is unrealistic, followed by me explaining the positives of a police force.
>>Societies are made better by having laws and having people to enforce those laws
>jesus, have you ever had a philosophy class?
This is not an argument against my point, explain your logic and reasoning as to why this is incorrect.
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