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HackOtaku
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 Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:00 pm Post subject: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided?
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You would have found him guilty for murder?
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I would definitely try to get the others to agree it was necessary before hitting shore. Maybe they could lighten the load even more if some people were going to snitch... The people at shore shouldn't have known what happened because it saved all the others lives and they at least owe their silence.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"?
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sir h4xalot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:26 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"? |
The answer is no.
Killing to save is never the wrong answer, regardless of the outcome, so long as the number you chose to kill was less than the number you chose to save.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"? |
The answer is no.
Killing to save is never the wrong answer, regardless of the outcome, so long as the number you chose to kill was less than the number you chose to save. |
In this case, 23 had to die to save 7, but if they didn't, 30 would die.
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sir h4xalot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:37 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"? |
The answer is no.
Killing to save is never the wrong answer, regardless of the outcome, so long as the number you chose to kill was less than the number you chose to save. |
In this case, 23 had to die to save 7, but if they didn't, 30 would die. |
Well then it balances itself out, doesn't it?
7 lives are worth more than 30 deaths
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:39 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"? |
The answer is no.
Killing to save is never the wrong answer, regardless of the outcome, so long as the number you chose to kill was less than the number you chose to save. |
In this case, 23 had to die to save 7, but if they didn't, 30 would die. |
Well then it balances itself out, doesn't it?
7 lives are worth more than 30 deaths |
Just saying the number of kills outnumbered the number of saves, because in the example of 30 people dying, no one is "killed" by anyone.
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sir h4xalot
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| Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Overcrowded Lifeboat |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | sir h4xalot wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | In 1842, a ship struck an iceberg and more than 30 survivors were crowded into a lifeboat intended to hold 7. As a storm threatened, it became obvious that the lifeboat would have to be lightened if anyone were to survive. The captain reasoned that the right thing to do in this situation was to force some individuals to go over the side and drown. Such an action, he reasoned, was not unjust to those thrown overboard, for they would have drowned anyway. If he did nothing, however, he would be responsible for the deaths of those whom he could have saved. Some people opposed the captain's decision. They claimed that if nothing were done and everyone died as a result, no one would be responsible for these deaths. On the other hand, if the captain attempted to save some, he could do so only by killing others and their deaths would be his responsibility; this would be worse than doing nothing and letting all die. The captain rejected this reasoning. Since the only possibility for rescue required great efforts of rowing, the captain decided that the weakest would have to be sacrificed. In this situation it would be absurd, he thought, to decide by drawing lots who should be thrown overboard. As it turned out, after days of hard rowing, the survivors were rescued and the captain was tried for his action. If you had been on the jury, how would you have decided? |
Is this a "death of the few for the lives of the many" question?
Because the answer is always yes
unless you're scumfuck. |
It's more along the lines of asking if one is still "guilty" of killing people, even if it was to save lives. If no one was made to sacrifice, a boat full of innocent people drown, if some people are made to sacrifice, is the person who lead the charge ultimately guilty of a crime? Was it a "wrongdoing"? |
The answer is no.
Killing to save is never the wrong answer, regardless of the outcome, so long as the number you chose to kill was less than the number you chose to save. |
In this case, 23 had to die to save 7, but if they didn't, 30 would die. |
Well then it balances itself out, doesn't it?
7 lives are worth more than 30 deaths |
Just saying the number of kills outnumbered the number of saves, because in the example of 30 people dying, no one is "killed" by anyone. |
It isn't about how many people died its about how many people lived
thats the number that matters in the end
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