HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:19 pm Post subject:
News outlets are confirming ties to ISIS. I stand by what I say about calling this a "right wing terrorist" attack, instead of just "Islamic Terrorism". Again, sure, Islamic law is right wing, but I don't believe that anyone who calls this a "right wing" attack is being politically unbiased, but instead is looking to lump in the conservative party with this.
How can this registered democrat (who doesn't actually reflect actual democratic values) NOT be a right wing authoritarian thinking person. I think you're just trying to avoid saying it for the sake of not lumping them in with the republicans, who share similar beliefs but with a different face. I'm not saying anything about republicans being responsible for this, but they have their own fair share of right wing terror attacks too.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:37 pm Post subject:
left wing tend to have control of the state (peace of the land) and promote equality on the people within that land while being scared of cheap working force from the outside (xenoPHOBIA). Just because someone started misusing that word it doesn't mean that the meaning has changed. Right wing tend to control institutions and control immigration.
Fascism is simply keeping country militarized and where civilians work for the military ( e.g currently everyone is working for the civilians (military, police, politicians etc.). In Fascism you would be working in the gun factory, mines etc. Every sign of protest and law disobedience is punishable by death.
They weren't necessary nationalist.
Hitler invented Aryan race in which were only nations which had germanic languages,, then he allied with Italy and added Italians to that race then he added Ukrainians which are slavic nation so that he gets support in that country which then fought for him, then Croatia and Slovenia which once again fought for him and many other nations. 40% of his army weren't Germans.
I'm guessing that Americans were so afraid of the system similar to the fascism that they've created 2nd amendment
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:47 pm Post subject:
republicans/conservatism value Americans above everyone else. If you are a muslim and American or gay and American or Mexican and American you are considered under that umbrella. Conservative values believes in harmony among people who are not americans as long as there is established mutual respect. Conservative values also are not as naive to believe in multiculturalism. Coexisting is a beautiful fantasy that does not and has not been effective in practice. For example, you see conservatives mocking liberals but you do not see conservative being violent, illegally protesting against liberals and preventing them to speak as opposed to the other way around.
Kyle believes in a fantasy that doesn't exist and is impossible to exist. He doesn't understand how the world works because he is simply a worker for a company. He's never been in a leadership position within a company, he's never had a managerial position. He's never been in a position where he is accountable for others. He has never been in a position where he is responsible for a group of people. Never sat in a boardroom with executives and people with actual responsibility. He underestimates the responsibility the amount of foresight and understanding executives at banks corporations and everyone who makes decision takes.
Instead of taking the time to learn, he just simply dismisses and blames. He also thinks large companies has the obligation to help with America's problems. Companies do not have any obligation whatsoever to solve poor people's problem. Their only obligations are: 1. to create the best possible product in the market. 2. obligation to their shareholders who fund their operations.
Banks gets free pass in many things and they don't abuse that privilege. The reason why it is okay for them to get bailed out is because they provide more for the country, they have a bigger responsibility for the country, than Kyle's parents who lost their homes and didn't get bailed out because they don't have the amount of responsibility for the country vs banks.
Simply, he's a child with dreams but no plan.
EDIT: He will think and say things like "you don't know me or my life" but it is simple because I've been in management positions. I've sat in board rooms with decision makers and influential players. I've worked with executives. I've worked with profound leaders and believe me, they don't have a string of quality Kyle has. This isn't who is better who is in a higher position. This is just being real. _________________
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject:
Channel GannoK wrote:
How can this registered democrat (who doesn't actually reflect actual democratic values) NOT be a right wing authoritarian thinking person. I think you're just trying to avoid saying it for the sake of not lumping them in with the republicans, who share similar beliefs but with a different face. I'm not saying anything about republicans being responsible for this, but they have their own fair share of right wing terror attacks too.
EDIT: just got info that he used to be with NYPD
I'm not saying he doesn't have right wing views, I'm saying it's a (potentially intentionally) politically loaded statement to say "This is a right wing terrorist attack." By that logic, 9/11 was a "right wing" attack, so was Paris. I completely understand the what of the things you are saying, that this person had more right wing views than left wing ones, but his motivation seems to be from his religion of Islam and the fact that he was a supporter of ISIS.
You say I am avoiding saying it because I don't want to lump them in with the conservatives " who share similar beliefs but with a different face.", and you are right, that is exactly why I won't say that. And they might "share similar beliefs" in the terms of what they think of gay people, but they do not share the beliefs that these people should be executed. That's more of an ISIS thing. Just because they both disagree on things that you agree with doesn't mean they're anything remotely close to each other.
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. I'm not saying anything about republicans being responsible for this, but they have their own fair share of right wing terror attacks too.
Neither here nor there, and you aren't directly saying republicans are responsible, but rather, it seems like you aren't too bothered by the concept that it might be misconstrued that republicans are okay/share similar beliefs as this by saying this was a "right wing terrorist attack." Namely because you live in America, and you know that "right wing" is generally understood to be the republican party. By saying this is a "right wing terrorist attack", you (knowingly or otherwise) are creating this concept that we need to associate this kind of attack with the "right wing" mindset, when the mindset of ISIS is so, so far removed from what is generally understood to be the right wing.
Yes, you are using a semantical argument that "ISIS IS right wing, ergo this is a right wing terrorist attack", to which I said you were technically correct, but it just seems incredibly disingenuous to say that it's a "right wing attack" instead of just an "islamic terrorist attack". I would be willing to bet if this were 2015 without anything politically major going on, we wouldn't be having this conversation as to whether or not this should be called a right wing attack, we would just call it terrorism. (in the very same way that we called the attacks in Paris an Islamic attack, and not a "right wing" attack)
Joined: 24 Nov 2009 Posts: 48 Location: California
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:51 pm Post subject:
paupav wrote:
Ok, so you have been in leadership position and you are right wing, he is a worker, he is a left wing thats how it works.
That seems about right.
Democrats want more for the workers/teachers/parents , Republicans want more for the leaders/bankers
It all comes down to this question:
"Is free market fair way of deciding how much money people earn?"
Democrat: No
Republican: Yes
Sure so this is pretty much the ideology. I think republican ideology has sort of evolved over the past year ever since Trump became the nominee. It's not about more for leaders or high income position now. Democrats now just purely want to suppress high income earners leaders or whatever you wanna call it. and just give it to people in less status. which I think is backward thinking. Conservative values want to give opportunities for workers to excel and be in the higher position. Not just give it to them. Theres a difference. Right now it's harder for people to excel and move up in the ladder. I want people to have easier access to move up. That's how you get people to participate in how the country moves forward as a nation. Not just give it to them but have them earn it and make it easier for them to earn it. In other words as much as I think Kyle is dumb, if I were his boss I'd want to give him opportunities for him to learn and excel in the ladder. That may be give him more training so he can educate himself. Or create more positions in the company for him to get up to. But it's harder for companies to do that right now because of a variety of different things. _________________
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:50 pm Post subject:
paupav wrote:
left wing tend to have control of the state (peace of the land) and promote equality on the people within that land while being scared of cheap working force from the outside (xenoPHOBIA). Just because someone started misusing that word it doesn't mean that the meaning has changed. Right wing tend to control institutions and control immigration.
I see some contradictions here...
Left wing promotes equality in many ways, yes, for example higher minimum wages, and social welfare, basically making fear of cheap work forces a non-existent thing.
Right wing wants to control immigration, yes, because they fear immigrants cause problems for the country; xenophobia.
paupav wrote:
Fascism is simply keeping country militarized and where civilians work for the military ( e.g currently everyone is working for the civilians (military, police, politicians etc.). In Fascism you would be working in the gun factory, mines etc. Every sign of protest and law disobedience is punishable by death.
They weren't necessary nationalist.
idk, saying democrats are more right wing than fascists just sounds wrong to me. I don't think that graph is very accurate (or maybe taken out of context).
republicans/conservatism value Americans above everyone else. If you are a muslim and American or gay and American or Mexican and American you are considered under that umbrella. Conservative values believes in harmony among people who are not americans as long as there is established mutual respect. Conservative values also are not as naive to believe in multiculturalism. Coexisting is a beautiful fantasy that does not and has not been effective in practice. For example, you see conservatives mocking liberals but you do not see conservative being violent, illegally protesting against liberals and preventing them to speak as opposed to the other way around.
Kyle believes in a fantasy that doesn't exist and is impossible to exist. He doesn't understand how the world works because he is simply a worker for a company. He's never been in a leadership position within a company, he's never had a managerial position. He's never been in a position where he is accountable for others. He has never been in a position where he is responsible for a group of people. Never sat in a boardroom with executives and people with actual responsibility. He underestimates the responsibility the amount of foresight and understanding executives at banks corporations and everyone who makes decision takes.
Instead of taking the time to learn, he just simply dismisses and blames. He also thinks large companies has the obligation to help with America's problems. Companies do not have any obligation whatsoever to solve poor people's problem. Their only obligations are: 1. to create the best possible product in the market. 2. obligation to their shareholders who fund their operations.
Banks gets free pass in many things and they don't abuse that privilege. The reason why it is okay for them to get bailed out is because they provide more for the country, they have a bigger responsibility for the country, than Kyle's parents who lost their homes and didn't get bailed out because they don't have the amount of responsibility for the country vs banks.
Simply, he's a child with dreams but no plan.
EDIT: He will think and say things like "you don't know me or my life" but it is simple because I've been in management positions. I've sat in board rooms with decision makers and influential players. I've worked with executives. I've worked with profound leaders and believe me, they don't have a string of quality Kyle has. This isn't who is better who is in a higher position. This is just being real.
So all you have to say to me is some long winded cock waving egostroking? Am I really supposed to care what you are, and not what you do? Are you fucking kidding me? How is this at all any way related to your original comment on this topic? You're so fucking dumb man. You jump from one idea to the next, in hopes of me not being able to see how retarded you actually are, avoiding confrontation at all costs. JUST LIKE TRUMP. All you care about is how good you look online to a bunch of fucking losers (That's really what 99% of the people here are), not saying what is right in hopes of getting others to hop on board with your ideas. You don't even look good(I laugh whenever I see your ugly mug, you'll never get a half decent girlfriend, only stupid pieces of ass), your attitude is 100% shit and it makes you look like a fucking bitch who has to defend yourself because I called you a fucking bitch. Get back to the original point you dumb cocksucker, you can't make an argument worth shit.
To add to the conversation that Antagonist clearly fails to do, he strawmans the platform of Bernie Sanders, saying people just want free stuff and to supress the high income earners. No one is fucking saying that you fucking dipshitted anti-intellectual. You don't understand that Wall Street and many multinational corps are ILLEGALLY gaining their rapid growth of income, and the government chooses not to do anything about it because they are paid off by those exact entities. I don't have a problem with capitalism and getting shit done yourself, I have a problem with CRONY CAPITALISM. IT'S HOW YOU GET YOUR INCOME THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. once you understand that(which you won't because you're so fucking stupid, you can't read and take in the most basic information, that's why you listen and believe trump like he's a demagogue) it should be clear that we need MAJOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM before anything else, because it's no longer a democracy or a constitutional republic. We are forced to choose our leaders paid off by the richest individuals that represent THEM, NOT YOU. IT'S OLIGARCHY. TRUMP DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. IT'S ALL LIP SERVICE.
There needs to be a transfer of wealth because the level of income inequality is so fucking vast, it's the most income the wealthiest individuals have ever seen in the history of the world, IN TERMS OF % AND CAPITAL. Does that not alarm you one fucking bit? Of course not, because you want that to be you, and you project that being you, because you don't have a brain. The transfer of wealth isn't just going to be FREE MONEY FOR EVERYONE. It's called paying for college tuition healthcare and providing jobs for those willing to work. That doesn't sound like free stuff to me, it sounds like rational usage of our tax dollars. Every other major nation in the world does it, and they are just fine.
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Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:11 pm Post subject:
Kyle takes it personally because it is true. My post was not to condescend anybody but tell you what is true. I didnt mock anybody because they are lower than anybody. I simply said you don't understand because you have never been in position. You just simply assume and accuse of things you don't know about. Banks are evil corporations are evil rich people are evil. And you don't care to understand what they do what their responsibilities are the skills and judgement it takes to be in position. You are literally covering your ears with your hands and don't care to learn. Why would I come here just to brag about what I do? What do I gain from it?
Instead of complaining about the problem educate yourself about it and find solutions to it. If you're not the solution to the problem you're part of the problem.
Anyways only you took offense to what I said not anybody else because you're a loser (that's mocking) _________________
To quote myself to explain yet again how you are acting,
"You jump from one idea to the next, in hopes of me not being able to see how retarded you actually are, avoiding confrontation at all costs. JUST LIKE TRUMP."
You're not even addressing anything I said while simultaneously straw manning my positions. You're fucking pathetic. You're just lucky this is a text forum board and not a real life debate, because your stupid ass couldn't handle how quickly I would dish out facts and retorts to your stupid as fuck logic.
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 909 Location: Austin,TX with 72 virgins
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:35 pm Post subject:
paupav wrote:
Its made by authoritan person. It could be either left wing or right wing.
did u pull this off of 4chan because its pretty fucking troll. Theses labels are fairly pointless. The old litmus test for republicans doesnt apply post trump\ _________________
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