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paupav
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:48 pm Post subject:

Clifford wrote:

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Dude you are mixing terms
Socialism =/= social state
social state = welfare state

Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, I'm not mixing any terms. He doesn't trust capitalism because of Karl Marx's studies, which suggest that capitalism's biggest flaw is that the gap between rich and poor is extremely high.

Regular Democrats want a welfare state, but Bernie Sanders wants a socialist state like Sweden and Denmark

Then he is mixing those terms because those countries aren't socialist currently.

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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject:

... wrote:

Clifford wrote:

... wrote:

Dude you are mixing terms
Socialism =/= social state
social state = welfare state

Then he is mixing those terms because those countries aren't socialist currently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDSbgEZswY

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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:13 pm Post subject:

Clifford wrote:

... wrote:

Clifford wrote:

... wrote:

Dude you are mixing terms
Socialism =/= social state
social state = welfare state

Then he is mixing those terms because those countries aren't socialist currently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsDSbgEZswY

He doesn't know what he is talking.

I told you that all candidates are too old.

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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:14 pm Post subject:

If you're seriously going to get anal about how it is phrased, I think he should phrase it as Social Democrat, so he doesn't get branded by morons like you as bad. _________________

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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject:

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If you're seriously going to get anal about how it is phrased, I think he should phrase it as Social Democrat, so he doesn't get branded by morons like you as bad.

He said that he will bring socialism to the US and he said that Denmark is socialist country which would mean that it e.g has socialist market. He is saying things that aren't true and he is trying to become president he is worse than mass media.

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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:51 pm Post subject:

GannoK wrote:

If you're seriously going to get anal about how it is phrased, I think he should phrase it as Social Democrat, so he doesn't get branded by morons like you as bad.

Bernie himself called it democratic socialism.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2015 4:52 pm Post subject:

BreakinGods wrote:

GannoK wrote:

If you're seriously going to get anal about how it is phrased, I think he should phrase it as Social Democrat, so he doesn't get branded by morons like you as bad.

Bernie himself called it democratic socialism.

I think that democraic socialism still isnt same as democratic welfare country

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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 7:50 pm Post subject:

AverageAzn247 wrote:

Clifford wrote:

Brolock wrote:

can you politics fags fuck off from Rs?

The political threads have been for the most part been mature, intellectual and civil, so why the hate? The debate between capitalism vs socialism is a social science debate; a debate of whether government should control every aspect of one's life, or control very little.

socialism exists in almost every govt. I give u a hint theres a reason skools n roads r free. Capitalists didn't build them. Honestly the 1% and corps need their tax deductibles capped, Apple shouldn't be allowed to get away with paying 10% tax rate.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/11/01/so-how-much-tax-did-apple-pay/

http://money.cnn.com/video/investing/2015/10/21/carl-icahn-super-pac-corporate-tax-reform.cnnmoney/
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:59 am Post subject:

oh and bernie sanders i doubt will be the democratic nominee anyways so chances of sanders winning is very abysmal
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 6:17 am Post subject:

Antagonist wrote:

oh and bernie sanders i doubt will be the democratic nominee anyways so chances of sanders winning is very abysmal

Unfortunately, Bernie Sanders is gaining steam on Clinton in the polls.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-national-democratic-primary

People really like those promises of "free everything" from bernie sanders, which i doubt will ever be backed up if he actually does become president.

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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:00 am Post subject:

Clifford wrote:

Antagonist wrote:

oh and bernie sanders i doubt will be the democratic nominee anyways so chances of sanders winning is very abysmal

If you take a closer look, he's actually not gaining steam, maybe a little fizz, but not steam. In my opinion, he's losing momentum and the poll numbers doesn't show at all that he's anywhere close to beating Hillary. As a matter of fact, hes become so irrelevant i almost forgot about him. If you want to take a different look at it. It took him 11 months to get him to 30%. That's 2.7% growth a month. He's not going to win the nomination. He's just a snake oil salesman. If he drops out and runs as an independent. There goes his "democratic socialist" brand that he's been trying to sell, he will then only be regarded as a socialist.

On another note on his free policies, he's always mentioning about how we should study Denmark, Sweden, etc. how they're able to successfully give free stuff in those countries. He forgets that Denmark has a population of 5 million. U.S has population of 318 million. And you can take a closer look at the difference in age groups as well. How many college students there are in the U.S vs Denjoe. How many people are working in U.S vs Denjoe. How many old people who are not working in the U.S vs Denjoe. Again, he's not going to win. I admire him, but he's not going to win. Gannok is delusional.
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:51 am Post subject:

Antagonist wrote:

Clifford wrote:

Antagonist wrote:

oh and bernie sanders i doubt will be the democratic nominee anyways so chances of sanders winning is very abysmal

I agree. I liked Bernie, I think he would be better than Clinton for the country, but this election was bought and paid for a long time ago. He came in to let them "feel the bern", and honestly at the very least, got the dem party a little more focused on income inequality, but he isn't gaining steam like he had been in the months before, and now is critical. I just don't see him getting anymore jumps in numbers, as much as I would like to see it.

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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:21 pm Post subject:

Basically speaking Sanders ideology is communism but with elections. It is like Stalin, Mao, Pol-Pot, Kim Jong-Un, Castro, but you get to vote for which dictator you want.

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