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Up2Admin
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject:

paupav wrote:

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

I don't see any reason why should I use Windows other than to play games with better performance. I can bet that AMD will fix their drivers to work nicely with OpenGl and Vulkan games before windows 10 is officially released.
Unigines Heaven benchmark now shows 200% better OpenGl performance on my GPU compared to the summer 2014.

There's the better performance, better support, a much larger range of content/programs, and loads of other reasons. Using Linux (I'm calling it Linux, fuck off) for any reason outside of development or portability is pretty close to being retarded.

its fine for browsing internet and playing TF2

You can do that better on Windows.
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:18 pm Post subject:

blablfy wrote:

Yeah, this is one of their features.

You laugh, but it's pretty smart. With the disaster of windows 8, Microsoft wants to maintain having majority of users since a lot of people are switching to macs/linux, or not upgrading at all. Additionally, they want to promote their windows store, so they're practically giving away Windows 10 for this reason.

Finally, you're not part of the consumer base that Microsoft makes their money with. You admitted that you pirated Windows 7, so what are the chances of you actually buying 10? Slim to none; however if you get a job or somewhere in the corporate world, you're more comfortable/familiar with 10, so your job will pay for a license for you. Corporate and enterprises is where Microsofts money comes in with Windows.

If something is free, then you're the product.

also they want u hooked on their cloud services. OS is about 10% of their revenue. Its nothing

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

its fine for browsing internet and playing TF2

You can do that better on Windows.

don't bother using logic. He thinks linux gaming is a thing when d12 is right around the corner. Also he used the words AMD DRIVERS working. Women ceo + driving =???
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potaters
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject:

macs don't really have problems like this...

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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:27 pm Post subject:

potaters wrote:

macs don't really have problems like this... Rolling Eyes

your right. lets charge an extra 300 for the hardware and call it even
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Euphorical
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:27 am Post subject:

I thought d12 is out it says I'm using it and I can visually see a increase in performance So wtf?

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:41 am Post subject:

AverageAzn247 wrote:

blablfy wrote:

also they want u hooked on their cloud services. OS is about 10% of their revenue. Its nothing

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

its fine for browsing internet and playing TF2

You can do that better on Windows.

don't bother using logic. He thinks linux gaming is a thing when d12 is right around the corner. Also he used the words AMD DRIVERS working. Women ceo + driving =???

And Vulkan is almost here too.

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 11:48 am Post subject:

Eᅚᅚ wrote:

I thought d12 is out it says I'm using it and I can visually see a increase in performance

So wtf?

If you are on Windows 10 it is out. (Windows 10 officially released already.)
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 12:15 pm Post subject:

paupav wrote:

AverageAzn247 wrote:

blablfy wrote:

also they want u hooked on their cloud services. OS is about 10% of their revenue. Its nothing

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

Up2Admin wrote:

paupav wrote:

its fine for browsing internet and playing TF2

You can do that better on Windows.

don't bother using logic. He thinks linux gaming is a thing when d12 is right around the corner. Also he used the words AMD DRIVERS working. Women ceo + driving =???

And Vulkan is almost here too.

sry but d12
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 4:38 pm Post subject:

atom0s wrote:

Eᅚᅚ wrote:

I thought d12 is out it says I'm using it and I can visually see a increase in performance

So wtf?

If you are on Windows 10 it is out. (Windows 10 officially released already.)

yeah i figured but he was acting like it wasn't released yet lol

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:03 pm Post subject:

Here is a decent overview of benchmarks done between 8.1 and 10: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3fcg3s/game_benchmarks_windows_81_vs_10/ Shows that the increase is very minimal and often times not noticeable at all. (Take aside the fact that games tested are not designed for DirectX 12, so we'll see how things fair in the future.) _________________ - Retired.

Up2Admin
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject:

atom0s wrote:

Here is a decent overview of benchmarks done between 8.1 and 10:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/3fcg3s/game_benchmarks_windows_81_vs_10/

Shows that the increase is very minimal and often times not noticeable at all. (Take aside the fact that games tested are not designed for DirectX 12, so we'll see how things fair in the future.)

But there is an increase nonetheless. That, coupled with the new UI and features... pretty good reason to upgrade.
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:17 am Post subject:

Up2Admin wrote:

atom0s wrote:

But there is an increase nonetheless. That, coupled with the new UI and features... pretty good reason to upgrade.

I would not say that ~5 FPS increase is worth upgrading your OS. Let alone being an upgrade and not a reformat. His test results with all the extras pulled out:

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Batman: Arkham City : 4-5 FPS Increase
BioShock Infinite : 0 FPS Increase (~40 FPS decrease on low-end settings..)
Crysis 1 : 2 FPS Increase
Crysis 2 : 1 FPS Increase
DiRT 3 : 6-8 FPS Increase
DiRT Rally : 0 FPS Increase
FFXIV Heavensword : 0 FPS Increase
GRID 2 : 0 FPS Increase
HAWX 2 : 7-8 FPS Increase
Hitman: Absolution : 0 FPS Increase
Just Cause 2 : 1 FPS Increase
Metro 2033 : 1 FPS Increase
Sleeping Dogs: DE : 1 FPS Loss
STALKER: CoP : 1 FPS Increase/Loss (Depending on settings.)
Streetfighter IV : 0 FPS Increase
Tomb Raider : 0 FPS Increase
Warhammer 40k: DoW 2 : 5 FPS Increase
World in Conflict : 4 FPS Increase

This is not amazing or a game-changer to upgrade for. Not to mention results will vary per-system. Different hardware has different drivers that support Windows 8.1/10 better then others. So you may see even worse gains/losses then this, or you may see better.

I personally see no reason to upgrade to 10, especially this early on. The OS is 'new' and is going to have issues. Be it drivers, update mistakes, etc., problems will happen. (And they have multiple times already.) Along with that, people are still discovering uneasy things in 10 that Microsoft forces opt-in rather then opt-out by default, and other little things that casuals will never know to look for that they take advantage of. (For example, the fact that Windows Updates now uses a torrent based system to utilize your internet to give others updates.)

All of this is fine and dandy for a more advanced user to face and adjust settings for (after digging to find them since Microsoft buried some of them away to try and hide it.) but for a casual person that goes and buys a system from Best Buy, they are going to be taken advantage of, spied on, and such without realizing it.

I'm not interested in Windows 10 personally because of the direction they have taken the OS since Windows 8. I'm currently using Windows 7 Ultimate for my main OS, and Windows 8.1 Pro on my work system. That said, I really don't care for Windows 8.1 at all, but it was free.

For me, I'm waiting a while before ever touching Windows 10 on my own systems. Not interested in the NSA edition of Windows currently.
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:50 am Post subject:

>nsa edition I'm pretty sure that even if you're running TAILS with tor and pgp encryption and whatever the fuck else, they still have backdoors and can own you if they have a reason to

Euphorical
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:14 am Post subject:

Emil wrote:

>nsa edition
I'm pretty sure that even if you're running TAILS with tor and pgp encryption and whatever the fuck else, they still have backdoors and can own you if they have a reason to

Pretty much this

Not like they own nodes, towers, providers. And the things they don't own have 100% access to whenever they feel like it

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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:03 am Post subject:

Eᅚᅚ wrote:

atom0s wrote:

Eᅚᅚ wrote:

I thought d12 is out it says I'm using it and I can visually see a increase in performance

So wtf?

If you are on Windows 10 it is out. (Windows 10 officially released already.)

yeah i figured but he was acting like it wasn't released yet lol

wowow I thought it was in beta.

Also this
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FSF-Windows-10

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