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Did I ever deny he made anything original? No. I said that he was caught stealing / ripping, with proof. I never said every single thing he did/made was stolen. Perhaps you should read closer before assuming things. |
This.
All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss.
The only loss i was talking about is his original work, now we're plagued with people like MrAntifun/omoe far worse rippers that even admit they steal your work.
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I know exactly how the scene works, I'm not new to it at all. The money gain in the past was no where near what it is now. Especially in the fact that nearly every single 'team' (if you even want to call them that anymore) simply sells everything. There are very few "teams" that are still pushing for what the scene was before, where things were free, knowledge was shared, and people helped each other without the intent to obtain money every chance they can get.
My problem is not solely based on people making money, but instead forcing it. There are very few sites that offer trainers free (entirely) anymore because they are more interested on gaining a quick buck or two instead. People ask for help only to be told they have to pay, etc. Sites like this (Cheat Engine) are one of the few left that offer everything for free. People help each other, people share their work. This is site is basically the last remaining site that shows what the scene was years ago.
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You and I must have been in different scene because thats not how i remember the dox scene was. It was always about competition between groups, still is. There was no sharing going on at least not at the level you're exaggerating it to be and as far as helping others was concerned, thats just bollocks. The few old gamehackers you see still active are the product of gh.com/extalia, you couldn't even contact scene groups unless you had connections which only happened once you actually knew shit yourself. People like sheep are popular because they were the only ones sharing some knowledge.
So the only thing scene-like is free releases here, you are right about that but this place is not based around trainers, its about the tool CE and it can exist without the trainers section. The other free teams/sites or whatever you want to call it eventually disappears because you can't run a site without revenue. At least if you expect to be somewhat popular and worth given a damn about.
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There are very few sites that offer trainers free (entirely) anymore because they are more interested on gaining a quick buck or two instead. People ask for help only to be told they have to pay, etc. |
If this is about me then you obviously don't know how my team works.
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I gave up on the single player community because of people like you. You and I have been over this entire thing before already. The team we had fell apart because of people like [Pysch] being a mole for CheatHappens, you always running off to attempt to restart your own team, and others just giving up and disappearing. Ultimately the team landed up dying because of it all. I left the single player scene because it was not worth being part of the childish antics anymore. Babysitting is not part of something I wanted to a member of.
Yet you thought of Psych as this all-mighty person until you finally got fucked over by him too. You still seem to have this entire image of something in your head that is not there anymore. |
I think it has nothing to do with gamehacking but your problem with me so we best deal it with PMs. But to answer your accusation, that is not the reason why the team we had fell. Psych was also not the reason, the team we were part of had moles long before you were even a member of it. You were the reason!, ask anyone that has been part of the team we had and i doubt anyone agreed with your decision except you.
I don't remember me being the reason for your departure or the childish antics. Here's an interesting fact though, I was in charge of recruitment and i pretty much decided who got in and you probably don't remember this but i was the reason you got in the first place, you weren't high up on anyone else's list. It is kinda sad and ironic you claim giving up on SP scene (a very short run at that) because of me. Makes me wonder about my choices in people. But like i said earlier, you left for mp scene before people even knew CH like they do now and my team definitely didn't exist then(thats 2006 we talking about) neither did the childish antics. I still have the chat messages between you and my old nick and there's different reason for why you left than what you claim to be now. You should probably get your facts straight.
I knew who Psych was when he wanted to join me (and kept him in check) along with extreme/devil but they were fucked over by you when you closed both the teams so i decided to recruit them. The only damage Psych ever did to my team was leaving the team when it kind of needed him but the team is still there so i don't know how he fucked me over.
| atom0s wrote: |
If you took the time to look, what I sell for multiplayer hacking isn't advertised all over the place, let alone I offer free versions of EVERYTHING I do. It is up to people to purchase the paid version if they want. But everything that is sold is free as well.
I also do not charge people for help, assistance, or answering questions. I even help competing sites with things if they ask.
If you are going to try to assume something about me, perhaps you should take the time to look and research first. |
What i said above.
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| STN wrote: | You and I must have been in different scene because thats not how i remember the dox scene was. It was always about competition between groups, still is. There was no sharing going on at least not at the level you're exaggerating it to be and as far as helping others was concerned, thats just bollocks. The few old gamehackers you see still active are the product of gh.com/extalia, you couldn't even contact scene groups unless you had connections which only happened once you actually knew shit yourself. People like sheep are popular because they were the only ones sharing some knowledge.
So the only thing scene-like is free releases here, you are right about that but this place is not based around trainers, its about the tool CE and it can exist without the trainers section. The other free teams/sites or whatever you want to call it eventually disappears because you can't run a site without revenue. At least if you expect to be somewhat popular and worth given a damn about. |
And that is where your issue lies. There are different "scenes" for different things. Game hacking had, what I would categorize, as two different scenes. 1 web based scene, 1 non-web based scene. Same as how a lot of other people view things, most of which don't even consider the web-scene a thing.
The hacking teams that had sites back in the day did not do it out of competition. Most of which had members across all the sites helping and sharing others. Exactly what Extalia was back then, along with the original CES team and site (gamehacking.com before it got destroyed), and other similar sites.
The other scene side were teams that had no site, no means of contact unless you dug deep to find them, etc. that released trainers for games as they were released, or leaked prior to their release dates. That was where the competition was. And still their work was all entirely free.
| STN wrote: | | I think it has nothing to do with gamehacking but your problem with me so we best deal it with PMs. But to answer your accusation, that is not the reason why the team we had fell. Psych was also not the reason, the team we were part of had moles long before you were even a member of it. You were the reason!, ask anyone that has been part of the team we had and i doubt anyone agreed with your decision except you. |
And yet, you are still clueless to the entire reason Extalia / Radiance died out.. Do I need to dig up the original content of Extalia and show you? The entire thread where the ENTIRE team voted on moving, voted on a new name, and voted on what was to happen with the team? Where I had little say in anything besides trying to keep the team together and moving forward.
Because Elis disappeared off the face of the earth and the site was 90% broken, falling apart, and unusable, we took the vote to move and rename. Every single person on the team at the time that was active took part in the renaming, the choice to move and the overall changes to the team.
It's still hilarious that you think otherwise because you were too busy trying to recreate your own team at the time to bother checking the forums and seeing what was going on.
It's even funnier to me that we discussed this already and you agreed, and now you are trying to turn around and say otherwise lol.
| STN wrote: | I don't remember me being the reason for your departure or the childish antics. Here's an interesting fact though, I was in charge of recruitment and i pretty much decided who got in and you probably don't remember this but i was the reason you got in the first place, you weren't high up on anyone else's list. It is kinda sad and ironic you claim giving up on SP scene (a very short run at that) because of me. Makes me wonder about my choices in people. But like i said earlier, you left for mp scene before people even knew CH like they do now and my team definitely didn't exist then(thats 2006 we talking about) neither did the childish antics. I still have the chat messages between you and my old nick and there's different reason for why you left than what you claim to be now. You should probably get your facts straight.
I knew who Psych was when he wanted to join me (and kept him in check) along with extreme/devil but they were fucked over by you when you closed both the teams so i decided to recruit them. The only damage Psych ever did to my team was leaving the team when it kind of needed him but the team is still there so i don't know how he fucked me over. |
You being the reason I departed what? You have never been the reason I left anything. I could care less about you. You were part of a team and left to start your own. You become unreliable, not part of the team, then came back and started drama after we moved because you felt like you had no say in it. While you had every chance to come and cast your vote on the move, on the name change, etc. yet you didn't.
My short run lol? As if Extalia/Radiance were the only two things I did.
Stop flattering yourself thinking you have anything to do with me.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| STN wrote: | | I think it has nothing to do with gamehacking but your problem with me so we best deal it with PMs. |
Yes PLEASE!
It's quite a shame to see an useful thread about fixing a trainer turn into a flame war between 2 members.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| Gniarf wrote: | | STN wrote: | | I think it has nothing to do with gamehacking but your problem with me so we best deal it with PMs. |
Yes PLEASE!
It's quite a shame to see an useful thread about fixing a trainer turn into a flame war between 2 members. |
Someone has split the topic into 2 topics, but anyway, they are not really flaming each other. It's kinda normal that a topic like this ends with many different arguments, because sicheats and h4x0r was well known amongst trainer makers and all sorts of drama has surrounded it. Which reminds them to other drama, etc. Yeah, the memories... (btw if you want to see real flamewars, dig up some topics about sicheats and h4x0r, you will not be disappointed  )
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| Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Geri wrote: | | if you want to see real flamewars, dig up some topics about sicheats and h4x0r, you will not be disappointed |
Uhh... Nnah, that's fine thank you. I hesitated between "flame war" and "catfight", guess I didn't pick the right one.
Anyway whoever split the thread has my thanks.
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Like i said you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and exaggerating the past like it was this happy place that has magically turned into shit, the funny thing is you weren't even as involved yet you claim to know it all.
Just for the record since you are so oblivious to how extalia actually was, before you were even a member, Eliss was always away and for a good few years i was the only admin active having to deal with all kind of shit (including moles that were far smarter than Psych could ever be) and the site was broken even then. If you think about it i pretty much am the reason you and others started because i didn't give up on the site and just closed it down because things were hard like you have done oh so many times with every gamehacking site you were given charge of. You even closed radiance, your own team for i don't know why the fuck. You even shut gamehacking.com down! and yet Risico brought it back and now me and kemi are still keeping it up.
I never agreed with your decision and never will, the only thing i remember in our last convo was asking for extalia's backup because i was interested in giving it back up. BUT for some reason probably to hide the facts surrounding what happened in the time you closed extalia, you DENIED giving it. For someone who acts so high and mighty, i don't understand why you would have a problem with it probably to hide your lies.
Also you are again hiding the fact that i RESIGNED from admin position on extalia when i disappeared because anyone that knows me knows i don't do half-arsed shit and i knew back then i couldn't give it my 100% because i left for university NOT rebuilding my team. So i couldn't vote or even view private section, if i could I WOULD HAVE singlehandedly kept the team alive like I DID FOR YEARS! doesn't matter if nobody else wanted to help.
In the end, the fact of the matter is anything you touched turned to shit and the only thing that you made a GOLD out of is your own pay shit because thats the only thing you cared about. Don't blame your uselessness on me. Also you were never even part of the whole magical era that you so fondly mention, you don't even know the drama that has happened all those years between these groups that "cared" for eachother. How would you know you weren't even part of them.
@Gniarf and Geri: This is probably my last post in this thread as i can't change how he has made shit up out of the reality, i also have pretty much said my side of the story.
In the end what i say is pretty much useless as what he say matters more him being a mod and what not and i have never been associated much with CEF in fact i don't see eye to eye with a lot of people here including Dark Byte over something so not gonna waste my time winning a lost argument. But i don't kiss-ass thats never gonna happen.
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As said before, you can assume what you want. You were not around when things were voted on because you were too busy with your own team as you always were every few months.
Assume whatever you want, I really don't care what you think or how you assume things happened. You are entirely clueless as you were not there so you can come up with whatever bullshit story you want. It will never change what actually happened. We've been over this before on another forum and for whatever reason then, you were in agreement on how things played out. And now all of a sudden you are butthurt over something else.
Be it as it may, sites like yours are not what the scene was back then. Feel free to think you are above some standard, your not.
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