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Geri
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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:39 am Post subject:

What? sicheats were closed for real? Permanently? h4x0r retired? What happened? _________________ My trainers can be found here: http://www.szemelyesintegracio.hu/cheats If you are interested in any of my crappy articles/tutorials about CE and game hacking, you can find them here: http://www.szemelyesintegracio.hu/cheats/41-game-hacking-articles Don't request cheats or updates.

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Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:22 pm Post subject:

Not a clue. I'd never heard of them until I ran into this trainer, but I don't really follow the scene. Only time I delve into the world of trainers is when I want something fancy like teleport or instabuild. _________________ It's not fun unless every exploit mitigation is enabled. Please do not reply to my posts with LLM-generated slop; I consider it to be an insult to my time.

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:45 am Post subject:

I don't know. The domain has changed hands it appears so i doubt they will be coming back at this address if they ever came back. Their activity had been low in the past months so perhaps there was something happening. Maybe they run out of funds to run the site ?. There isn't any information on their site from the last snapshot on waybackarchive so maybe they just disappeared overnight without any messages. _________________ Cheat Requests/Tables- Fearless Cheat Engine https://fearlessrevolution.com

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:27 am Post subject:

After all the drama and tears, I expected a big show or something when they retire. _________________ My trainers can be found here: http://www.szemelyesintegracio.hu/cheats If you are interested in any of my crappy articles/tutorials about CE and game hacking, you can find them here: http://www.szemelyesintegracio.hu/cheats/41-game-hacking-articles Don't request cheats or updates.

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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2014 4:38 pm Post subject:

All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss. _________________ - Retired.

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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 7:33 am Post subject:

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All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss.

WTF really?? The nerve then to ask money for it, unbelievable

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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:50 am Post subject:

Wiccaan wrote:

All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss.

I can't believe i am going to defend them but since what you said is a total lie i can't let it pass. Not all of their trainers were ripped, they had original content in most of their trainers. In the big war that CH raged against them on GCW, they weren't able to prove h4x0r ripped their trainers and CH was banned instead. I am not saying they didn't steal but to discredit their whole work is unfair and a lie.

Also despite all their drm crap and the turn for worse in the end, it is a loss, it always is when a team disappears, for the gamehacking community. I doubt you will understand it though, much as i hate to bring this up you gave up on the gamehacking community and one of the amazing team i knew, a long time ago (despite what your excuses) so you won't understand what a loss it is.

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WTF really?? The nerve then to ask money for it, unbelievable

As far as i know they never asked for money, their drm was merely signing up to their site for free and downloading a key file. So i don't know what you mean.

There are far worse people now than h4x0r could ever be. Confirmed rippers like MrAntifun/omoe for example still around advertising the crap out of his stolen trainers and earning money off it. The irony is he actually disses and curses free sites like GCW and call them leeches when he is the mega leecher of all leeching upon other people's work and stealing with pride. At least h4x0r could defend himself, this new generation of trainer makers will admit with pride they steal. The sad thing is he isn't even as infamous as h4x0r was when he should be, meh h4x0r was just the target of effective negative marketing by CH.

So you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:48 pm Post subject:

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As far as i know they never asked for money, their drm was merely signing up to their site for free and downloading a key file. So i don't know what you mean.

My bad.
I asumed a forced authentication/login would result in paying one way or the other because that's what's usually the deal. Why go through all the trouble otherwise...

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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 3:26 pm Post subject:

dharthoorn wrote:

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As far as i know they never asked for money, their drm was merely signing up to their site for free and downloading a key file. So i don't know what you mean.

My bad.
I asumed a forced authentication/login would result in paying one way or the other because that's what's usually the deal. Why go through all the trouble otherwise...

I agree. Thats like the stupidest thing anyone could ever do but they weren't the brightest bunch also not the nicest either. Probably to do with their crappy english skills
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Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:00 pm Post subject:

dharthoorn wrote:

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All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss.

WTF really?? The nerve then to ask money for it, unbelievable

I called him out with proof in multiple threads on here when he was still posting as h4x0r before he changed his name. (He has posted as several other alias' but to keep drama at a minimum, I wont say those names.) He tried to deny stealing the trainers/options but it was painfully obvious that he was copying tables from here (A lot of which were Ref's) and posting them as his own trainers.

I made a tool to dump CE trainers (protected or not, custom or not) to keep an eye on him and a select few others that were doing similar things. I made a similar tool for the latest version of CE to do the same as well.
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:37 am Post subject:

Wiccaan wrote:

dharthoorn wrote:

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All his cheats were copied tables from here anyway, so it's not like it is a loss.

WTF really?? The nerve then to ask money for it, unbelievable

Not my point. Let me make it easy for you to understand, i personally have caught many of the famous trainer-makers stealing unique/hard options from our team's trainers but if you start picking up fights and accusing for this, the majority of trainer making community is guilty and your enemy then. The solution is to not include options like that for the stealing pleasure of general public which i have gracefully done (and a lot of talented trainer makers have taken the alternate route of private releases etc.). My point here is does that make them equally as bad as h4x0r, definitely yes....stealing is stealing if its one option or the whole trainer is stolen but are they equally as infamous as h4x0r ?, well no because i didn't let their names out but even if i tried for the life of me, i could never make them as notorious and infamous as h4x0r was.

Do you get my point now ?. h4x0r was the victim of effective negative marketing and i don't want to point fingers and get in a pointless fight with anyone (i am too old for that shit now) but Google is your friend. I am actually surprised for a person who is so respected around in these parts and considered smart, you are as gullible as the majority of sheeps...erm i mean people here. There was even money being spent and total crap spread around by people who benefited from h4x0r's disappearance.

Stealing is far rampant than you think and every trainer-maker worth giving a damn about has been a victim, i never said h4x0r never stole, read my original post but not every stealer is treated the same way h4x0r is.

Don't get me wrong, i don't like the guy at all but i would never spread someone else's false propaganda and deny the fact he has helped gamehacking community with some, if not all of his original work. If we were to treat every stealer the same way as h4x0r, we would have a lot less respected names in gamehacking and certainly around these parts.
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 4:30 pm Post subject:

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but if you start picking up fights and accusing for this, the majority of trainer making community is guilty and your enemy then

For one, I could care less if people hate me or become my "enemy".

As for "picking fights and accusing", I didn't pick a fight nor just simply accuse him of it. I have the proof and posted it. Feel free to think whatever you want of him or others similar to him. It's the reason why the game hacking community is where it is today, along with the greed to sell everything anymore.
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Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 5:36 pm Post subject:

People should give credit where credit is due...that is all. I think some people convince themselves that, "oh, I only used this for reference... ...the scripts are all mine, so the injection points and offsets are all irrelevant etc.".

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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:38 am Post subject:

Wiccaan wrote:

STN wrote:

but if you start picking up fights and accusing for this, the majority of trainer making community is guilty and your enemy then

You are taking what i said out of context and completely ignoring everything else i said.

Like i said i don't even like him so i am done arguing about him. I have made my point anyway. I think he's scum like every other stealer but did he make original work during his whole run ? yes...to deny that is a lie.

There is something else you touched that i would like to correct you on and i believe you absolutely don't know crap about. The gamehacking scene is far more advanced and better than it was in past so i don't know what you see wrong with it. There is a lot more sharing going on than in past and we see more talented people than just a select few names who ran the show in past.

People like h4x0r have always been in GH scene whether its today or in the past, the only thing that has changed is the monetary aspect but then again if you have any idea how scene works, you would know other people have always been earning money off sceners hard work. Now its the authors profiting themselves instead of someone else profiting from their hard work.

I don't understand why you would have a problem with monetary thing though when you yourself have given up on the single player community for money and joined MP hacking when CH wasn't even asking for money like they do now. I am not saying whether it was a good or bad thing but making comments like "It's the reason why the game hacking community is where it is today, along with the greed to sell everything anymore." is hypocritical.
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Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 3:12 pm Post subject:

STN wrote:

You are taking what i said out of context and completely ignoring everything else i said.

My original reply was not to you to begin with.

STN wrote:

Like i said i don't even like him so i am done arguing about him. I have made my point anyway. I think he's scum like every other stealer but did he make original work during his whole run ? yes...to deny that is a lie.

Did I ever deny he made anything original? No. I said that he was caught stealing / ripping, with proof. I never said every single thing he did/made was stolen. Perhaps you should read closer before assuming things.

STN wrote:

There is something else you touched that i would like to correct you on and i believe you absolutely don't know crap about. The gamehacking scene is far more advanced and better than it was in past so i don't know what you see wrong with it. There is a lot more sharing going on than in past and we see more talented people than just a select few names who ran the show in past.

To each their own. You can believe what you want with the game hacking scene. My opinion is based on how I feel about it. And I am not the only one that has the same view on it.

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People like h4x0r have always been in GH scene whether its today or in the past, the only thing that has changed is the monetary aspect but then again if you have any idea how scene works, you would know other people have always been earning money off sceners hard work. Now its the authors profiting themselves instead of someone else profiting from their hard work.

I know exactly how the scene works, I'm not new to it at all. The money gain in the past was no where near what it is now. Especially in the fact that nearly every single 'team' (if you even want to call them that anymore) simply sells everything. There are very few "teams" that are still pushing for what the scene was before, where things were free, knowledge was shared, and people helped each other without the intent to obtain money every chance they can get.

My problem is not solely based on people making money, but instead forcing it. There are very few sites that offer trainers free (entirely) anymore because they are more interested on gaining a quick buck or two instead. People ask for help only to be told they have to pay, etc. Sites like this (Cheat Engine) are one of the few left that offer everything for free. People help each other, people share their work. This is site is basically the last remaining site that shows what the scene was years ago.

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I don't understand why you would have a problem with monetary thing though when you yourself have given up on the single player community for money and joined MP hacking when CH wasn't even asking for money like they do now. I am not saying whether it was a good or bad thing but making comments like "It's the reason why the game hacking community is where it is today, along with the greed to sell everything anymore." is hypocritical.

I gave up on the single player community because of people like you. You and I have been over this entire thing before already. The team we had fell apart because of people like [Pysch] being a mole for CheatHappens, you always running off to attempt to restart your own team, and others just giving up and disappearing. Ultimately the team landed up dying because of it all. I left the single player scene because it was not worth being part of the childish antics anymore. Babysitting is not part of something I wanted to a member of.

Yet you thought of Psych as this all-mighty person until you finally got fucked over by him too. You still seem to have this entire image of something in your head that is not there anymore.

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I am not saying whether it was a good or bad thing but making comments like "It's the reason why the game hacking community is where it is today, along with the greed to sell everything anymore." is hypocritical.

If you took the time to look, what I sell for multiplayer hacking isn't advertised all over the place, let alone I offer free versions of EVERYTHING I do. It is up to people to purchase the paid version if they want. But everything that is sold is free as well.

I also do not charge people for help, assistance, or answering questions. I even help competing sites with things if they ask.

If you are going to try to assume something about me, perhaps you should take the time to look and research first.
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