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Aviar≥
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

what. everyone knows gerald after that scene he made on the floors. the dude thumped me and told me to watch where i was going
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

what. everyone knows gerald after that scene he made on the floors. the dude thumped me and told me to watch where i was going

I totally remember that. Did you ever catch him? Also, remember when you ate out that fat chick? Should watch your alcohol.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

what. everyone knows gerald after that scene he made on the floors. the dude thumped me and told me to watch where i was going

I totally remember that. Did you ever catch him? Also, remember when you ate out that fat chick? Should watch your alcohol.

shit not wania again. and no i have yet to see him since i got out for DUI
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

what. everyone knows gerald after that scene he made on the floors. the dude thumped me and told me to watch where i was going

I totally remember that. Did you ever catch him? Also, remember when you ate out that fat chick? Should watch your alcohol.

shit not wania again. and no i have yet to see him since i got out for DUI


Who's Wania? I meant Anna.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?


I lol'd and double lol'd that he got caught for drunk driving...

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
Aviar≥ wrote:
[Ray] wrote:
so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them


Or you know, take a year from your life and learn.

it's safer if I didn't. if I did the government would ban me

Pretty sure the government wouldn't give a fuck.

they already took me in for DUI while trying to hack the stereo system in a car next to me

>boost a stereo
loololol i r hax ur stero

it was gerald from the party. i hated him and so i tried to bass slam his ears out but i got caught + driving drunk after gerald that bastard


Am I supposed to know who Gerald is?

what. everyone knows gerald after that scene he made on the floors. the dude thumped me and told me to watch where i was going

I totally remember that. Did you ever catch him? Also, remember when you ate out that fat chick? Should watch your alcohol.

shit not wania again. and no i have yet to see him since i got out for DUI


Who's Wania? I meant Anna.

the bartender. i dubbed her smoochums until she spilled my drunk. called her dick.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blablfy. wrote:
Do you have to make a virus in order to know information about it? There are some real malware coded in .NET, but for the majority, it's ASM/C/C++.

The point Slugsnack is making is that the programming language something is written in does not determine whether it's a virus. That is, the very definition of a virus is language neutral.


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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slugsnack wrote:
'IMO'. Yeah. I don't know about the general case but in this instance your opinion is retarded. Have you ever written a virus? No. And neither have 90% of the people in this thread. Given you have no position of authority in this aspect, your opinion is worthless

What it sounds like, from your writing is that you have never been around a black hat scene. I don't mean forums like hackforums. I mean the real sites, where the big viruses come from. The Russian/Carding websites. I can prove with translated screen shots that there may be 1 of 10 viruses coded in .NET. The sales threads of viruses BRAG when they are coded in C/C++. It is a huge plus, and is something an experienced cyber criminal will look for when purchasing a bin. As blablfy said, you don't need to have coded a virus to know what's best. Sure, a .NET virus will be a lot easier to code but when it comes down to reliability in your virus it will be C/C++/ASM. Furthermore, making your virus FUD (fully undetectable) in .NET is harder, the reason for that is usually because programmers re-use code which is easily identified by most AV's. More advanced C/C++/ASM coders use unique methods that can sometimes be undetected without the use of a crypter (don't get me wrong, some re-use code). To end, it does matter very much so if your code can be decrypted so a third party may be able to locate your bot's panel or a server IP. This is what gets people caught and sent to jail. A large syndicate/ring wants to have the best possible odds in staying below the radar.

Edit: I don't disagree that any language cannot make a virus but it is uncommon for large scale operations.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:33 pm    Post subject: This post has 1 review(s) Reply with quote

xen0r wrote:
What it sounds like, from your writing is that you have never been around a black hat scene. I don't mean forums like hackforums. I mean the real sites, where the big viruses come from. The Russian/Carding websites. I can prove with translated screen shots that there may be 1 of 10 viruses coded in .NET. The sales threads of viruses BRAG when they are coded in C/C++. It is a huge plus, and is something an experienced cyber criminal will look for when purchasing a bin. As blablfy said, you don't need to have coded a virus to know what's best. Sure, a .NET virus will be a lot easier to code but when it comes down to reliability in your virus it will be C/C++/ASM. Furthermore, making your virus FUD (fully undetectable) in .NET is harder, the reason for that is usually because programmers re-use code which is easily identified by most AV's. More advanced C/C++/ASM coders use unique methods that can sometimes be undetected without the use of a crypter (don't get me wrong, some re-use code). To end, it does matter very much so if your code can be decrypted so a third party may be able to locate your bot's panel or a server IP. This is what gets people caught and sent to jail. A large syndicate/ring wants to have the best possible odds in staying below the radar.

Edit: I don't disagree that any language cannot make a virus but it is uncommon for large scale operations.

You are arguing that most "real" malware are written in programming languages that do not compile to an intermediate representation.

He is arguing that a virus can be written in any language that allows use of appropriate APIs.

You're creating a straw man here.
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