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Slugsnack · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:23 pm Post subject:

Obfuscation and protection against RCE have nothing to do with the strict definition of a virus. The majority of the people in this thread are using the more colloquial but erroneous definition of a virus, which is unsurprising given that it is something continuously and incorrectly perpetuated by the media

Aviar³ · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:33 pm Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject:

I would like to point out that the majority of viruses rely on operating quietly such that the user does not notice rather than employ advanced anti-RCE techniques. Hence, the fact that .NET applications can be decompiled easily does not play an important role in the language choice. I agree the 'issue' of portability is pertinent however.

Aviar³ · Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:12 pm Post subject:

Isn't .NET a managed language though? Does it allow running assembler to manage architecture registers, or hooking into other processes?

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:10 am Post subject:

The most important thing for a virus is to have access to the system library. In the case of Windows, the WinAPI. It has this capability through pinvoke. The ability to execute arbitrary assembly code is not actually that useful. Although even a .NET application would have the ability to set the context of other processes given the right privileges (through SetThreadContext for example). Think of pinvoke similar to jni.

Fafaffy · Cheater Reputation: 65 Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 28

Wow... Most real malware won't touch .NET at all as it is just an overall crappy malware language. It requires .NET Framework, which not all computers have. They're also easy to decompile accurately, which is never good. .NET also means larger file sized. Rather than a 33kb bot coded in C++ with like 100 features, it'll be a 100kb file.

There's a ton a reasons NOT to use .NET for malware. Point is, if you code malware in .NET, it isn't really "malware" imo.

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:06 am Post subject:

'IMO'. Yeah. I don't know about the general case but in this instance your opinion is retarded. Have you ever written a virus? No. And neither have 90% of the people in this thread. Given you have no position of authority in this aspect, your opinion is worthless

Fafaffy · Cheater Reputation: 65 Joined: 12 Dec 2007 Posts: 28

Aniblaze · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:58 am Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:04 am Post subject:

I feel it would be asking too much to think Talix can make inferences about entailments in natural language in the same way someone without a mental deficiency could. Give the kid a break. My guess is he's recently started going though puberty so he already feels all 'misunderstood' and shit.

Aniblaze · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:23 am Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:51 pm Post subject:

Wasn't necessary for you to get played like a little girl bitch and cry about it but you still did, right?

..... · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject:

Slugsnack · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject:

meme'd · Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject:

so can someone make a virus give it to me without infecting me and me give it to someone else so i can infect them