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| Bematli wrote: | | I also support this just for the reason to filter the music topics out of Random Spam. |
Maybe if it happens it should be a sub-forum of Random Spam. Because as I pointed out earlier, it will be so flooded with useless topics and posts, (by useless, I mean crap posts and topics that doesn't have anything to do with hacking or cheat engine or games) so that is why I think post count shouldn't be added.
| Quote: | | I see it just turning into the same thing as the Art section. Just full of shit posts downing everyone because someone doesn't have the same opinion. Whats the first topic going to be? 'Whats your favorite band?' And that will immediately turn into a 'ur a fag' fest because everyone likes different things. |
This is also a very good point made by Wiccaan, I agree with this a lot, but if it becomes a sub-forum of Random Spam, it really won't matter if anybody downs a user as much.
After I have thought about this for a while, I came to a conclusion: What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there?
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Stupidiot wrote: | | Bematli wrote: | | I also support this just for the reason to filter the music topics out of Random Spam. |
Maybe if it happens it should be a sub-forum of Random Spam. Because as I pointed out earlier, it will be so flooded with useless topics and posts, (by useless, I mean crap posts and topics that doesn't have anything to do with hacking or cheat engine or games) so that is why I think post count shouldn't be added.
| Quote: | | I see it just turning into the same thing as the Art section. Just full of shit posts downing everyone because someone doesn't have the same opinion. Whats the first topic going to be? 'Whats your favorite band?' And that will immediately turn into a 'ur a fag' fest because everyone likes different things. |
This is also a very good point made by Wiccaan, I agree with this a lot, but if it becomes a sub-forum of Random Spam, it really won't matter if anybody downs a user as much.
After I have thought about this for a while, I came to a conclusion: What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there? |
The problem exists in the people there, in a forums with no major rules, there's nothing you can't do. One example is this:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=536070
The first reply is neither an opinion on the music, something they enjoy that's similar, or anything vaguely music related. It is just spam, which is fine for a section labeled "Random Spam", in fact, it's fits very well, but the problem exists for people like me, and likely the OP and other people, who just want to talk about music, artists with similar styles, upcoming concerts, and anything of that sort, but can't escape the unfortunate fact that posting in Random Spam is the equivalent of saying "This is my train of thought, derail it at your leisure."
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| [TWLOHA] End User wrote: | | Stupidiot wrote: | | Bematli wrote: | | I also support this just for the reason to filter the music topics out of Random Spam. |
Maybe if it happens it should be a sub-forum of Random Spam. Because as I pointed out earlier, it will be so flooded with useless topics and posts, (by useless, I mean crap posts and topics that doesn't have anything to do with hacking or cheat engine or games) so that is why I think post count shouldn't be added.
| Quote: | | I see it just turning into the same thing as the Art section. Just full of shit posts downing everyone because someone doesn't have the same opinion. Whats the first topic going to be? 'Whats your favorite band?' And that will immediately turn into a 'ur a fag' fest because everyone likes different things. |
This is also a very good point made by Wiccaan, I agree with this a lot, but if it becomes a sub-forum of Random Spam, it really won't matter if anybody downs a user as much.
After I have thought about this for a while, I came to a conclusion: What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there? |
The problem exists in the people there, in a forums with no major rules, there's nothing you can't do. One example is this:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=536070
The first reply is neither an opinion on the music, something they enjoy that's similar, or anything vaguely music related. It is just spam, which is fine for a section labeled "Random Spam", in fact, it's fits very well, but the problem exists for people like me, and likely the OP and other people, who just want to talk about music, artists with similar styles, upcoming concerts, and anything of that sort, but can't escape the unfortunate fact that posting in Random Spam is the equivalent of saying "This is my train of thought, derail it at your leisure." |
You do realize, that this is Cheat Engine Forums, not a music forum? Yes, we have an Art section, but it is the most useless section on this forum (Random Spam is second). About 30% of the posts are crap, and is the least moderated section besides Stick Arena. You can say that Random Spam is the most useless section, but you are wrong. Random Spam is something that regular active forum users do to bypass some time. It gives them something to do while waiting on a reply to a thread that they just posted on. Heck, some users such as Freezer_Burn joined pretty much JUST for Random Spam.
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Name 30 regular RS posters that post in other sections.
I thought RS was more a place to give those looking to spam or troll a happy place where they can be free.
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Stupidiot wrote: | | [TWLOHA] End User wrote: | | Stupidiot wrote: | | Bematli wrote: | | I also support this just for the reason to filter the music topics out of Random Spam. |
Maybe if it happens it should be a sub-forum of Random Spam. Because as I pointed out earlier, it will be so flooded with useless topics and posts, (by useless, I mean crap posts and topics that doesn't have anything to do with hacking or cheat engine or games) so that is why I think post count shouldn't be added.
| Quote: | | I see it just turning into the same thing as the Art section. Just full of shit posts downing everyone because someone doesn't have the same opinion. Whats the first topic going to be? 'Whats your favorite band?' And that will immediately turn into a 'ur a fag' fest because everyone likes different things. |
This is also a very good point made by Wiccaan, I agree with this a lot, but if it becomes a sub-forum of Random Spam, it really won't matter if anybody downs a user as much.
After I have thought about this for a while, I came to a conclusion: What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there? |
The problem exists in the people there, in a forums with no major rules, there's nothing you can't do. One example is this:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=536070
The first reply is neither an opinion on the music, something they enjoy that's similar, or anything vaguely music related. It is just spam, which is fine for a section labeled "Random Spam", in fact, it's fits very well, but the problem exists for people like me, and likely the OP and other people, who just want to talk about music, artists with similar styles, upcoming concerts, and anything of that sort, but can't escape the unfortunate fact that posting in Random Spam is the equivalent of saying "This is my train of thought, derail it at your leisure." |
You do realize, that this is Cheat Engine Forums, not a music forum? Yes, we have an Art section, but it is the most useless section on this forum. About 30% of the posts are crap, and is the least moderated section besides Stick Arena. You can say that Random Spam is the most useless section, but you are wrong. Random Spam is something that regular active forum users do to bypass some time. It gives them something to do while waiting on a reply to a thread that they just posted on. Heck, some users such as Freezer_Burn joined pretty much JUST for Random Spam. |
This is Cheat Engine forum, but there are topics that aren't related to Cheat Engine, such as programming, web development, and computer chat. While, yes, they are somewhat related to Cheat Engine, but it's not like the program itself is discussed. As I said earlier, just because people typically come here because of Cheat Engine, that's far from the only thing they do, so what's really the problem in having varying forums for varying interests?
And you're arguing the Random Spam gives something for people to do while they're waiting on a reply to something, so why wouldn't a music section do the same thing? By your argument, random spam should not exist, as it is in no way related to Cheat Engine, but you claim it SHOULD exist because there are people interested in it; however, by that logic, there should also be a music section.
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Aside from the current topic, why not create it? What's it going to hurt, and why not show we have a wider variety of subforums for our users to browse.
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| Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| [TWLOHA] End User wrote: | | Stupidiot wrote: | | [TWLOHA] End User wrote: | | Stupidiot wrote: | | Bematli wrote: | | I also support this just for the reason to filter the music topics out of Random Spam. |
Maybe if it happens it should be a sub-forum of Random Spam. Because as I pointed out earlier, it will be so flooded with useless topics and posts, (by useless, I mean crap posts and topics that doesn't have anything to do with hacking or cheat engine or games) so that is why I think post count shouldn't be added.
| Quote: | | I see it just turning into the same thing as the Art section. Just full of shit posts downing everyone because someone doesn't have the same opinion. Whats the first topic going to be? 'Whats your favorite band?' And that will immediately turn into a 'ur a fag' fest because everyone likes different things. |
This is also a very good point made by Wiccaan, I agree with this a lot, but if it becomes a sub-forum of Random Spam, it really won't matter if anybody downs a user as much.
After I have thought about this for a while, I came to a conclusion: What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there? |
The problem exists in the people there, in a forums with no major rules, there's nothing you can't do. One example is this:
http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=536070
The first reply is neither an opinion on the music, something they enjoy that's similar, or anything vaguely music related. It is just spam, which is fine for a section labeled "Random Spam", in fact, it's fits very well, but the problem exists for people like me, and likely the OP and other people, who just want to talk about music, artists with similar styles, upcoming concerts, and anything of that sort, but can't escape the unfortunate fact that posting in Random Spam is the equivalent of saying "This is my train of thought, derail it at your leisure." |
You do realize, that this is Cheat Engine Forums, not a music forum? Yes, we have an Art section, but it is the most useless section on this forum. About 30% of the posts are crap, and is the least moderated section besides Stick Arena. You can say that Random Spam is the most useless section, but you are wrong. Random Spam is something that regular active forum users do to bypass some time. It gives them something to do while waiting on a reply to a thread that they just posted on. Heck, some users such as Freezer_Burn joined pretty much JUST for Random Spam. |
This is Cheat Engine forum, but there are topics that aren't related to Cheat Engine, such as programming, web development, and computer chat. While, yes, they are somewhat related to Cheat Engine, but it's not like the program itself is discussed. As I said earlier, just because people typically come here because of Cheat Engine, that's far from the only thing they do, so what's really the problem in having varying forums for varying interests?
And you're arguing the Random Spam gives something for people to do while they're waiting on a reply to something, so why wouldn't a music section do the same thing? By your argument, random spam should not exist, as it is in no way related to Cheat Engine, but you claim it SHOULD exist because there are people interested in it; however, by that logic, there should also be a music section. |
Quote from Dark Byte on a recent similar topic:
| Quote: | | That the forum is less active is because I'm trying to shift the focus from quantity to quality |
The variety you speak of, is shifting the focus the opposite way.
Also, I never said I wasn't for a music section, all I said was "What's the problem with posting music threads in RS, if you all like music in there?"
| That fag wrote: | | Aside from the current topic, why not create it? What's it going to hurt, and why not show we have a wider variety of subforums for our users to browse. |
Quote from Dark Byte on a recent similar topic:
| Quote: | | That the forum is less active is because I'm trying to shift the focus from quantity to quality |
Adding a music section doesn't add quality. By quality he means less shit posts. I have a feeling that this will create shit posts.
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| Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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It's you (the posters) fault that random spam turned into what it is. It's a mini-4chan anymore and yes, it isn't needed or worth having. That sad part is there are so many people that come to these forums just for that section. Probably haven't no clue how to even use Cheat Engine. Given that the section has little to no rules means that its up to the posters to direct it in any specific manner, but since you are all under the age of 15 that obviously isn't going to happen in any useful manner.
Point being, as said already by others, this forum is for Cheat Engine and game hacking. As DB said, he wants quality not quantity. I'm fairly surprised Random Spam even exists anymore since it's useless.
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I, for one, support the creation of the Music forum... We all know very well that music posts can't be done on the RS section, simply because it is Random Spam and, hence, that is what you will get. I read all the posts above, and I figure that its not that bad a thing to add. I see people saying that its got nothing to do with CE, but then again, nor does General Discussions, Art, Computer Talk (at least a vast majority of the time), Random Spam, General Programming, Game Development, Web Development... yet they all are valid sections. Some one also said that Art, being a section similar to what Music would be in terms of relation with CE, is the least moderated sub-forum... But surely that is not the users' fault? The only reason a lot of posts are crap and few in the Art section is because half the time, all people answer is non-constructive, insulting and demoralizing things. Not only does this turn most thread into arguments, but it also scares people away form posting when they've been working for hours (sometimes) and all they are going to get is people flaming them, when they should be getting constructive criticism. Now, in the Music section, if people see something they don't like, they should simply get out of the post or list some alternatives or things they do like, not just insult like in the Art section. That way, we will all be able to share our musical tastes without a problem, expand our musical culture and learn new things. There is no specific reason why the posts in Music shouldn't help achieve this change from quantity to quality if people grow up and behave... And if they don't want to, they can go to Random Spam and flame there.
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| Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Mobsy wrote: | | I, for one, support the creation of the Music forum... We all know very well that music posts can't be done on the RS section, simply because it is Random Spam and, hence, that is what you will get. I read all the posts above, and I figure that its not that bad a thing to add. I see people saying that its got nothing to do with CE, but then again, nor does General Discussions, Art, Computer Talk (at least a vast majority of the time), Random Spam, General Programming, Game Development, Web Development... yet they all are valid sections. Some one also said that Art, being a section similar to what Music would be in terms of relation with CE, is the least moderated sub-forum... But surely that is not the users' fault? The only reason a lot of posts are crap and few in the Art section is because half the time, all people answer is non-constructive, insulting and demoralizing things. Not only does this turn most thread into arguments, but it also scares people away form posting when they've been working for hours (sometimes) and all they are going to get is people flaming them, when they should be getting constructive criticism. Now, in the Music section, if people see something they don't like, they should simply get out of the post or list some alternatives or things they do like, not just insult like in the Art section. That way, we will all be able to share our musical tastes without a problem, expand our musical culture and learn new things. There is no specific reason why the posts in Music shouldn't help achieve this change from quantity to quality if people grow up and behave... And if they don't want to, they can go to Random Spam and flame there. |
I'd have to disagree with some of the sections not being relevant.
General Discussions is a common section on any forum to handle off-topic discussions that are not meant for other sections. There is a valid reason to have this and not expect everyone to attempt to hold any real discussion in, say, Random Spam.
General Programming and Game Development are understandable sections as well. 90% of whats posted in General Programming is related to game hacking with the few posts here and there from others asking for help with their homework. But the majority is hacking related. Which is directly related to the use of Cheat Engine and wanting to convert tables to trainers using their own preference in a language rather then the trainer builder. With Game Development being understandable to have for discussion of game mechanics which could relate to discussions about how to hack something (physics, rendering engines, etc.) and such. (Not that any of the topics really got into these types of things though.)
Ultimately I see Dark Byte avoiding more and more mini-sections because of the whole "if we have this why can't we have that" which is already starting in this thread.
I think people will survive without a music section, it's not the end of the world. Just use General Discussions for it, as it is a general topic.
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| Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Mobsy wrote: | | . Some one also said that Art, being a section similar to what Music would be in terms of relation with CE, is the least moderated sub-forum... But surely that is not the users' fault? The only reason a lot of posts are crap and few in the Art section is because half the time, all people answer is non-constructive, insulting and demoralizing things. Not only does this turn most thread into arguments, but it also scares people away form posting when they've been working for hours (sometimes) and all they are going to get is people flaming them, when they should be getting constructive criticism. Now, in the Music section, if people see something they don't like, they should simply get out of the post or list some alternatives or things they do like, not just insult like in the Art section. That way, we will all be able to share our musical tastes without a problem, expand our musical culture and learn new things. There is no specific reason why the posts in Music shouldn't help achieve this change from quantity to quality if people grow up and behave... And if they don't want to, they can go to Random Spam and flame there. |
Adding to what Wiccaan said, the Music section would not be any different than the Art section. The majority will look like this thread: http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?t=530786
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