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Is there a limit to human memory?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not going to debate the definition of the word unlimited. But freiza, as far as computers outperforming the human mind, that is quite debatable. When it comes to processing information, computers are already far ahead of the human mind. Most of what the brain does is react with other neurons and chemicals. These reactions are "slow" compared to the sheer speed of transistors. You can't really compare a brain to a single CPU... the brain is more like a bunch of different CPUs, all focusing on different tasks and communicating with each other... like a supercomputer.

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a lot of info on long-term memory, so I'll just give some common sense answers. No one can remember every single detail of every day of their life. If we don't actively remember a certain memory every once in a while, it eventually fades out and gets harder to remember. Therefor the "capacity" of your memory is related to how many things you can keep remembering before they fade out. If you remember something more often, you can remember it longer.
As for kanji, most of them are similar, so your memory is able to group them together.

Essentially, the capacity of the memory is limited to how often you can recall a particular memory. Obviously, if you spent all your time remembering a few certain memories, you will eventually forget the ones that you don't recall very often.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no! I will forget how to program when I'm older! And then people will think that I have some weird brain disorder!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm... I don't think anyone would think you have a weird brain disorder, unless you didn't tell them that you haven't programmed in years.

Which, if you lie to people saying that you have been programming all this time when you haven't, you don't have a brain disorder, you have a social anxiety disorder.

Even then, chances are you wont forget how to program, you will just forget many of the specific functions and methods you need to use and will have to refresh your memory with API references. The first time you learned how to use the windows API to create a window, did you only have to learn it once and remembered exactly how to do it every time thereafter? What if you didn't do it for 5 years?

If you're trying to argue that once you learn something, you know it forever... you're an idiot. Please don't tell me that, without practicing, you remember how to solve every single math problem you were taught in school. Or everything you learned in history, science, etc.

Over time, your long term memory degenerates if you don't make use of it.

So it's more like, if you went 10 years without programming, and you still remember exactly as much as you did before, then I would think you have a brain disorder. There actually was one person on the news who claimed to remember every single detail of every day of her life... but I had to call bullshit.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying that you remember things for ever lol. I just don't follow "you lose some memorys once your brain fills up". I can see you forget things that you don't do in a while.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freiza wrote:
Yes . limited..
Storage Capacity of human being is 10^13 to 10^19 bytes. (From Neural Network point of view)(Very Tough Subject.. i don't know how i managed to pass it)

but my conscience says.. it must be unlimited..(After all we are created by the Almighty and no computer in this world can ever Beat a human .. not now and not even in the future.. no man made thing can ever beat god's creation)
Don't even start. A computer could easily beat a human in the future in just about any subject. We've already created one that beat us in Jeopardy.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^lol.

Too bad computers lack the working memory complexity to solve problems without using the WWW.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, around 500mb of memory.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of codecs do we use to compress the videos?

(Seriously the "how much" is also depending on the question of "which form".)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a reported case of a woman who remembers everything along with the emotional components to it.

Her name: Jill Price
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4771978.ece


Must be harsh living like that >_>

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well according to my psychology lessons, the long term memory doesn't have a limit. The short term memory on the other hand has a limit of 15-30 seconds and can hold 7+/-2 items.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jorg hi wrote:
^lol.

Too bad computers lack the working memory complexity to solve problems without using the WWW.
That's just the way they gather information. If you had never been taught anything or had any human interaction and miraculously lived to this day, you wouldn't know how to do anything either.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

elpacco wrote:
Jorg hi wrote:
^lol.

Too bad computers lack the working memory complexity to solve problems without using the WWW.
That's just the way they gather information. If you had never been taught anything or had any human interaction and miraculously lived to this day, you wouldn't know how to do anything either.


... You are mistaking human prime creativity instincts for common knowledge.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong again, George High.

The world wide web has absolutely nothing to do with computers ability to solve problems. Just like the human mind, it is hard coded.

I am highly assuming that you have not seen the relatively recent robots which actually learn to walk, without being taught how to even use their legs. They have error correction algorithms and whatnot (much like our own brain) that slowly enable them to learn how to walk, eventually walking perfectly over any terrain.

Robots can have "creativity", as long as they are programmed to have it... just like we are. There is nothing metaphysical that enables creativity.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol. By programming billions of predefined junk? Or by allowing them to create stuff that even humans can't imagine.

Those are 2 different things. Maybe in the future they will create near clone human brains, programmed into robots. But will the robot have error? Because I know humans make errors, in signals, everything. This allows randomness to emit.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your view of the capability of computers is very limited. Computers don't just store and recall data... they can also compute new data, much like a human brain.

Errors and limitations of the human mind arise because of biophysical properties.
Transistors are completely different. It is unlikely we will ever perfectly emulate a human brain in a computer, considering the enormous complexity which, while not out of our reach, is impractical to emulate.

In short, humans do not make errors because of randomness. The errors are still predictable. It is not practical (and probably not humanly possible) to predict human error, but it is predetermined.
If we were to make a near clone human brain, using brain cells, blood, hormones, and other chemicals and whatnot... then yes, those robots would have error. Again, there is nothing metaphysical about the human brain.
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