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Caliban
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:20 pm    Post subject: Killing robber, legal? Reply with quote

What if you were like robbed in an alley, he was alone and you have a hidden knife. Are you legally allowed to kill the robber?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Killing robber, legal? Reply with quote

Caliban wrote:
What if you were like robbed in an alley, he was alone and you have a hidden knife. Are you legally allowed to kill the robber?


If he was trying to kill you first.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

only if he has a knife or gun and it's pointing in your direction
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the US the answer is not that simple. From a legal as in trouble with police aspect, yes you could possibly kill in self defense and be absolved policewise of problems. This does not mean that the family of the deceased won't sue you to high heaven for Wrongful Death and not win, usually they do win those cases.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep in mind you have things working against you such as:
1. Any other witness.
2. Your property or not.
3. You having a concealed weapon on your person.

Some laws and the Constitution will protect you on your own property but since you said 'in an alley' you may find it harder to get off without any issues. It also depends on the state too, (if you are referring to the USA), some states have more strict laws against violence.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your weapon must be licensed or your in deep shit if you kill someone with a illegal fire arm, even if you're trying to protect yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Connecticut, self protection is not allowed at all.
Let's say someone breaks in, in the dead of night. He points his pistol at you and threatens to shoot you. Then, before he can react, you pull your trusty hunting rifle off the wall, and shoot him in the head, killing him instantly. You call the police, and police come into your house, handcuff you, throw you in a cell for the night, and the next day you are sentenced to life in prison on account of homocide. In theory, of course. One might ask, "What the fuck are you supposed to do, then?" The answer is, you let the criminal loot your house, rape your wife/daughter/girlfriend (choose all applicable) and then shoot you/both/all.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phox wrote:
I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Connecticut, self protection is not allowed at all.
Let's say someone breaks in, in the dead of night. He points his pistol at you and threatens to shoot you. Then, before he can react, you pull your trusty hunting rifle off the wall, and shoot him in the head, killing him instantly. You call the police, and police come into your house, handcuff you, throw you in a cell for the night, and the next day you are sentenced to life in prison on account of homocide. In theory, of course. One might ask, "What the fuck are you supposed to do, then?" The answer is, you let the criminal loot your house, rape your wife/daughter/girlfriend (choose all applicable) and then shoot you/both/all.


I'd say that's a good reason to move out of Connecticut then. Sad

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phox wrote:
I don't know about the rest of the world, but in Connecticut, self protection is not allowed at all.
Let's say someone breaks in, in the dead of night. He points his pistol at you and threatens to shoot you. Then, before he can react, you pull your trusty hunting rifle off the wall, and shoot him in the head, killing him instantly. You call the police, and police come into your house, handcuff you, throw you in a cell for the night, and the next day you are sentenced to life in prison on account of homocide. In theory, of course. One might ask, "What the fuck are you supposed to do, then?" The answer is, you let the criminal loot your house, rape your wife/daughter/girlfriend (choose all applicable) and then shoot you/both/all.

That sounds like the Netherlands. But here you also have to make sure the burglar doesn't accidentally strip over a wire or something lying on the floor, because he'll then sue you.
And not to mention that you're not allowed to scare him because of all the emotional damages you're inflicting then

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK you are allowed to use 'Reasonable force' if they are in your house (And I think they have to be upstairs). On the streets you are not allowed to use force, pretty much like phox said.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fairly scary to think about living like that. Granted the UK does have a lot less gun issues then the rest of the world though.

Where I live the laws are basically:
1. On the street, if they threaten your life first and throw the first punch, it's considered self defense and you can protect yourself.
2. In your house / on your property; if you feel that your life is threatened you have the right to protect yourself as well.

Of course though, shooting someone has more depth in a trial afterward let alone killing them. You have to prove without a doubt your life was in danger, and in most cases if said person had a weapon on him etc. and broke into your house you usually have nothing to worry about.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dialgar wrote:
In the UK you are allowed to use 'Reasonable force' if they are in your house (And I think they have to be upstairs). On the streets you are not allowed to use force, pretty much like phox said.


It's fine on the street. Did you not see the old woman destroying them guy's lives with her handbag? She got praised
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if it's in a third world country ie Philippines, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are the laws like in Canada?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP didn't even say what country he's in... so I'll speak for my own, which is USA.

Laws vary from state to state, but in most jurisdictions, self-defense is an affirmative defense against criminal charges.

Generally, you are allowed to use non-deadly force to protect yourself from an imminent injury, however you are not allowed to use deadly force unless you were in reasonable fear of serious injury or death.

So in your case, you would not be able to use any form of self-defense, because the robber did not actually attack you, or threaten to attack you. Furthermore, it is also much different if the robber was inside your home. Contrary to popular belief, you cannot use deadly force against someone who simply breaks in to your house. In your home, you are only allowed to use self-defense in response to a violent attack, or an intrusion which may lead to a violent attack.

So basically, you can't kill someone just because they robbed you.
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