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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That actually looks pretty hawt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I completely disagree with the eye vs listening thing. Icon 'guru's say allll the time that your icon should have something to do with what your *product* or whatever is, just like 'naming guru's tell you to incorporate a word revolving around what you're putting out there(or at least a distant cousin word)

I say bullshit :s If you look at almost any name or icon that caught on it was because it was simple and memorable -- little to nothing else. Even things that had similarities to what they were (facebook, myspace) were the ones winning over similar sites because their names were SIMPLER and more MEMORABLE. (Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

The eye is a good memorable trait, the name goob is nice and descriptive, and has the added quality that if someone says something about 'goob', it's pretty hard to mistake what they're saying. The only issue I'd pick is that 'goob' does remind one a bit of google. Sad

I say don't do the keys Smile If you're going to make 'GOOB' into something with multiple projects inside of it(i.e. IMGOOB, GOOBMUSIC, or what-have-you), give them each their own little parts of the logo to turn them into an icon. Leave the logo as just the eye and GOOB -- it looks nice Smile

Note: It actually looks like you're already doing that suggestion, and I don't mean to make it sound like it wasn't your idea Very Happy I only say it incase you haven't thought the same thing.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uzeil wrote:
I completely disagree with the eye vs listening thing. Icon 'guru's say allll the time that your icon should have something to do with what your *product* or whatever is, just like 'naming guru's tell you to incorporate a word revolving around what you're putting out there(or at least a distant cousin word)

I say bullshit :s If you look at almost any name or icon that caught on it was because it was simple and memorable -- little to nothing else. Even things that had similarities to what they were (facebook, myspace) were the ones winning over similar sites because their names were SIMPLER and more MEMORABLE. (Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

The eye is a good memorable trait, the name goob is nice and descriptive, and has the added quality that if someone says something about 'goob', it's pretty hard to mistake what they're saying. The only issue I'd pick is that 'goob' does remind one a bit of google. Sad

I say don't do the keys Smile If you're going to make 'GOOB' into something with multiple projects inside of it(i.e. IMGOOB, GOOBMUSIC, or what-have-you), give them each their own little parts of the logo to turn them into an icon. Leave the logo as just the eye and GOOB -- it looks nice Smile

Note: It actually looks like you're already doing that suggestion, and I don't mean to make it sound like it wasn't your idea Very Happy I only say it incase you haven't thought the same thing.
McDonalds.
It looks like a chip in the shape of an M. KFC, it's their mascot/creator (well known) in an apron. Pizza hut, one part of it looks like a piece of pizza. etc/.

You're full of shit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

konr wrote:
Uzeil wrote:
I completely disagree with the eye vs listening thing. Icon 'guru's say allll the time that your icon should have something to do with what your *product* or whatever is, just like 'naming guru's tell you to incorporate a word revolving around what you're putting out there(or at least a distant cousin word)

I say bullshit :s If you look at almost any name or icon that caught on it was because it was simple and memorable -- little to nothing else. Even things that had similarities to what they were (facebook, myspace) were the ones winning over similar sites because their names were SIMPLER and more MEMORABLE. (Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

The eye is a good memorable trait, the name goob is nice and descriptive, and has the added quality that if someone says something about 'goob', it's pretty hard to mistake what they're saying. The only issue I'd pick is that 'goob' does remind one a bit of google. Sad

I say don't do the keys Smile If you're going to make 'GOOB' into something with multiple projects inside of it(i.e. IMGOOB, GOOBMUSIC, or what-have-you), give them each their own little parts of the logo to turn them into an icon. Leave the logo as just the eye and GOOB -- it looks nice Smile

Note: It actually looks like you're already doing that suggestion, and I don't mean to make it sound like it wasn't your idea Very Happy I only say it incase you haven't thought the same thing.
McDonalds.
It looks like a chip in the shape of an M. KFC, it's their mascot/creator (well known) in an apron. Pizza hut, one part of it looks like a piece of pizza. etc/.

You're full of shit.


Apple: it's an apple. Agreeing with konr here, it should have something to do with the name. Unless the logo is just text but then it's irrelevant.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

Apple

No description, it isn't needed.

Adobe

"Also the language could describe both graphics and text on one page. Graphic designer Marva Warnock designed the company's first identity. The stylization of the A is carried through all glyphs in a rather accomplished and aware way."
That's right, it's an A (Adobe) in an artistic style (They're known for their design programs)


Google

The exclamation mark was added, mimicking the Yahoo! logo. "There were a lot of different color iterations," says Ruth Kedar, the graphic designer who developed the now-famous logo. "We ended up with the primary colors, but instead of having the pattern go in order, we put a secondary color on the L, which brought back the idea that Google doesn't follow the rules."

And last but not least, Microsoft.

"The new logo, in Helvetica italic typeface, has a slash between the o and s to emphasize the "soft" part of the name and convey motion and speed."
You know, speed in Software? The thing they have been involved with from the start? Just because they don't just deal with software now that doesn't even slightly mean that the logo is outdated.


All of these people have taken things that they want people to subconsciously know about their companies when they look at their logo. You sir, are full of shit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like hes trying to say that the logo and name don't need to describe what the product is selling.
ie: apple doesn't sell fruits

OPs example is the same as those, is a like a blob named goob with an eye and he can still use it for uploading sites, music site, etc

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Looks like hes trying to say that the logo and name don't need to describe what the product is selling.
ie: apple doesn't sell fruits

OPs example is the same as those, is a like a blob named goob with an eye and he can still use it for uploading sites, music site, etc

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I didn't say he can't use a blob with an eye, I said that it'd be better if there was something to kinda show that it's about without having to actually go to the site. Apple probably chose their name because apples are fresh, and though like to think they have fresh ideas? Something like that I'm sure. But Goob isn't a word, so it needs specification.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't see the problem, I think it looks great, doesn't need anything else. I'd even be willing to help you turn it into an actual site.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like how you spent two posts and another person spent one post saying I was wrong on something I didn't say. As CrisNMP said, all I said was that it doesn't have to be named or drawn to describe what they're selling.

And how does McDonalds look like a chip? To me it looks 100% like a yellow 'M' with a little bit of a shine to it. Maybe looks a little like two french fries if you really want to put the "THAT INK PLOT LOOKS LIKE A BURD" one on me.

'Adobe' has little to nothing at all with what they sell(unless huge loop like "UH, WELL PEOPLE KINDA BUILD STUFF AROUND WHAT THEY MAKE WITH THEIR PROGRAMS SOMETIMES" which would bring us back to the 'distant cousin of a related word' thing), nor is their logo of an adobe house, it's literally a fuckin A. Google isn't a word, and it's logo is just it's name with some colors(where Goob isn't a word, and it's logo is it's name with an eye). And as CrisNMP said, Apple doesn't sell fruit (to my knowledge).

Then Slappy agrees but with the note "Unless the logo is just text but then it's irrelevant," but then Konr posts a bunch of *styled text* photos.


I knew someone would disagree with me when I said something about the self-proclaimed 'guru's being wrong(that is, I figured a self-proclaimed 'guru' would disagree), I just didn't expect they'd be so horrible at it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like how you spent two posts and another person spent one post saying I was wrong on something I didn't say. As CrisNMP said, all I said was that it doesn't have to be named or drawn to describe what they're selling.

And how does McDonalds look like a chip? To me it looks 100% like a yellow 'M' with a little bit of a shine to it. Maybe looks a little like two french fries if you really want to put the "THAT INK PLOT LOOKS LIKE A BURD" one on me.

'Adobe' has little to nothing at all with what they sell(unless huge loop like "UH, WELL PEOPLE KINDA BUILD STUFF AROUND WHAT THEY MAKE WITH THEIR PROGRAMS SOMETIMES" which would bring us back to the 'distant cousin of a related word' thing), nor is their logo of an adobe house, it's literally a fuckin A. Google isn't a word, and it's logo is just it's name with some colors(where Goob isn't a word, and it's logo is it's name with an eye). And as CrisNMP said, Apple doesn't sell fruit (to my knowledge).

Then Slappy agrees but with the note "Unless the logo is just text but then it's irrelevant," but then Konr posts a bunch of *styled text* photos.


I knew someone would disagree with me when I said something about the self-proclaimed 'guru's being wrong(that is, I figured a self-proclaimed 'guru' would disagree), I just didn't expect they'd be so horrible at it.
You don't understand that a chip is a different thing in some countries? In England a chip is a french fry. And it DOES look like a french fry. Like I said earlier I didn't say that he had to name it to describe what they're selling, I said that he should probably add a few details to the logo to specify what the product is, so that it can be put in other places and recognised more easily.

The Adobe logo (as you can see in my example) was originally much like the Microsoft logo, but they changed it to just the A because it looks more lightweight. I'm sure they had other reasonings too, but according to you it's just styled text and I shouldn't be mentioning them, so why are you?

Google isn't a word, correct, but I'm sure when they created it they didn't just put some random colours on it (they didn't, they put all primary and one secondary colour) and completely disregard all graphic design/illustration rules and regulations that all good illustrators and graphic designers are supposed to follow. You say that I'm the one saying you're saying something you're not, but in actual fact you're the one doing that.

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If you look at almost any name or icon that caught on it was because it was simple and memorable -- little to nothing else.

Little to nothing else? What about all the stuff I've just found and shown you? You obviously don't know much about illustration if you think that the only thought put into a good logo is that it's simple and therefore automatically memorable. Obviously these little details that are in logos are subconsciously noticed are the reasons for this. They're remembered because of these details. Of course, after the company gets big, it'll be remembered anyway, but at the start they need a querk, something to say what they're about. Just because some sites/companies haven't done it as much as others, it doesn't mean it's complete bullshit and that all logos shouldn't bother with having related things in their logo.

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A googol is the large number 10100, that is, the digit 1 followed by one hundred zeros in decimal representation. The term was coined in 1938 by Milton Sirotta (1929–1980), nephew of American mathematician Edward Kasner, when he was nine years old. ...
That would make sense as something that the name Google was inspired by, eh? Goob doesn't have one of those.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eye + Image... seems to make sense to me, I don't see the big deal here. I think it works great with the product. Or are you guys just gonna totally disregard his post about making it an image sharing site?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks pretty sweet. I personally like the blue one best, when compared to the green one.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eye + Image... seems to make sense to me, I don't see the big deal here. I think it works great with the product. Or are you guys just gonna totally disregard his post about making it an image sharing site?
I'm just defending my point about the original, because he fails to understand that I'm not just some self-proclaimed guru, I know what I'm talking about with this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

konr wrote:
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(Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

Apple

No description, it isn't needed.

Adobe

"Also the language could describe both graphics and text on one page. Graphic designer Marva Warnock designed the company's first identity. The stylization of the A is carried through all glyphs in a rather accomplished and aware way."
That's right, it's an A (Adobe) in an artistic style (They're known for their design programs)


Google

The exclamation mark was added, mimicking the Yahoo! logo. "There were a lot of different color iterations," says Ruth Kedar, the graphic designer who developed the now-famous logo. "We ended up with the primary colors, but instead of having the pattern go in order, we put a secondary color on the L, which brought back the idea that Google doesn't follow the rules."

And last but not least, Microsoft.

"The new logo, in Helvetica italic typeface, has a slash between the o and s to emphasize the "soft" part of the name and convey motion and speed."
You know, speed in Software? The thing they have been involved with from the start? Just because they don't just deal with software now that doesn't even slightly mean that the logo is outdated.


All of these people have taken things that they want people to subconsciously know about their companies when they look at their logo. You sir, are full of shit.


I don't get why Apple and Microsoft are on this list.
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konr wrote:
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(Elsewhere: Apple, Adobe, Google, and note that Microsoft is doing just fine despite the fact that it's nothing but 'micro'(small) and does much more than just 'soft'(ware).)

Apple

No description, it isn't needed.

Adobe

"Also the language could describe both graphics and text on one page. Graphic designer Marva Warnock designed the company's first identity. The stylization of the A is carried through all glyphs in a rather accomplished and aware way."
That's right, it's an A (Adobe) in an artistic style (They're known for their design programs)


Google

The exclamation mark was added, mimicking the Yahoo! logo. "There were a lot of different color iterations," says Ruth Kedar, the graphic designer who developed the now-famous logo. "We ended up with the primary colors, but instead of having the pattern go in order, we put a secondary color on the L, which brought back the idea that Google doesn't follow the rules."

And last but not least, Microsoft.

"The new logo, in Helvetica italic typeface, has a slash between the o and s to emphasize the "soft" part of the name and convey motion and speed."
You know, speed in Software? The thing they have been involved with from the start? Just because they don't just deal with software now that doesn't even slightly mean that the logo is outdated.


All of these people have taken things that they want people to subconsciously know about their companies when they look at their logo. You sir, are full of shit.


I don't get why Apple and Microsoft are on this list.
Because he mentioned them.
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