Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 1757 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:09 pm Post subject:
Notepad wrote:
Viral wrote:
Notepad wrote:
Augustine wrote:
The point being whether it's murder or not, right? If you get down to it, what makes us human is our consciousness. A fetus does not posses any form of consciousness yet, not like we experience it anyway though. So can it really be considered human? No. And if it isn't human, it doesn't have human rights. And if it doesn't have human rights, it may be killed humanly if it has an adverse affect on another human being.
In short, it's up to the female carrying the fetus. Because if removing a fetus is murder, then so is their period.
That must be one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, I won't even explain why.
Dialgar is completely right.
Also are you serious about the video? I'm considering watching it.
Please, explain.
What Augustine said was valid in my opinion.
Are you kidding?
There's a bit of a difference between killing a fetus and someone having their period.
For one you aren't killing someone.
I don't consider a fetus a someone. That was the point I was trying to make.
Calling it murder is absolutely retarded, a human life doesn't start until birth, period. If you're 18, it's been 18 years since you were born, you were not considered a human being before then because you weren't one. A fetus is a simple parasite, it's not a sentient being, it's not a life until it can live on it's own. It's part of the female's body and it's her choice what she wants to do with it, up until the point it's born and is a tangible human being.
People are so against it because it goes against our primitive instincts to continue our species, abortions counteract that. Some of us are just able to make decisions on abortions objectively rather than with a primitive viewpoint.
A fetus can be categorized as a parasite, and the mother as a host.
Just because the mother is pregnant does not mean she loses her own rights. There should be limits as to when a woman can get an abortion though. As the host, it's her decision to keep or abort. It's her living right to do make the decision.
But IMO; if the heart is beating, it's too late for abortion.
I also have some controversial ideas on abortions after the heart beat statement. If a serious disorder is detected before birth, then the mother should have the right to decide to abort. There's no need to give birth to a child that would suffer physically and mentally due to a serious birth defect.
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gf b saying:
-It's my decision, but I have to take into consideration that my baby will be a living being. Abortions should be done only under the occasion where it the baby shouldn't be brought into the world. Prolifers tend disregard the conditions and rights of the mother.
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@Guy who said that having a period could be considered murder if aborting a fetus was considered murder:
-An egg is not, and will not, develop into a living thing(without being fertilized). It's incorrect to compare this to a fetus. A fetus will eventually live and develop into an animal. An egg on it's own is just another [type of] cell in the body.
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@People suggesting adoption:
-Go jump on a serrated knife. The correlations of psychological problems and being separated from parents(Adoption) sky rocket when adoption is involved.
During the most critical time of their lives, a baby shouldn't be left under the care of a group of people trying to handle other babies. They need a fixed parent figure. Don't know what rainbow world you are living in, but not every baby put up for adoption is adopted.
Sometimes it works, but as research has proven, adoption is a mistake. Learn to raise your kids - even if you can't be the best parent in the world. Just give it a try before you decide to abandon your kids. Give it a try before you break the bonds of trust that they develop during their first year. _________________
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:44 am Post subject:
Cheetah wrote:
If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one.
Calling it murder is absolutely retarded, a human life doesn't start until birth, period. If you're 18, it's been 18 years since you were born, you were not considered a human being before then because you weren't one. A fetus is a simple parasite, it's not a sentient being, it's not a life until it can live on it's own. It's part of the female's body and it's her choice what she wants to do with it, up until the point it's born and is a tangible human being.
People are so against it because it goes against our primitive instincts to continue our species, abortions counteract that. Some of us are just able to make decisions on abortions objectively rather than with a primitive viewpoint.
do miscarriages count as abortion? If they do then God hates 25% of babies _________________
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Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 1527
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject:
AverageAzn247 wrote:
Cheetah wrote:
If you don't believe in abortions, don't get one.
Calling it murder is absolutely retarded, a human life doesn't start until birth, period. If you're 18, it's been 18 years since you were born, you were not considered a human being before then because you weren't one. A fetus is a simple parasite, it's not a sentient being, it's not a life until it can live on it's own. It's part of the female's body and it's her choice what she wants to do with it, up until the point it's born and is a tangible human being.
People are so against it because it goes against our primitive instincts to continue our species, abortions counteract that. Some of us are just able to make decisions on abortions objectively rather than with a primitive viewpoint.
do miscarriages count as abortion? If they do then God hates 25% of babies
actually, 4 out of 5 pregnancies end in miscarriage. _________________
The point being whether it's murder or not, right? If you get down to it, what makes us human is our consciousness. A fetus does not posses any form of consciousness yet, not like we experience it anyway though. So can it really be considered human? No. And if it isn't human, it doesn't have human rights. And if it doesn't have human rights, it may be killed humanly if it has an adverse affect on another human being.
In short, it's up to the female carrying the fetus. Because if removing a fetus is murder, then so is their period.
It only becomes life after the sperm and the egg meet.
For the conservatives out there who don't like to spend money but are anti-choice....
Girl gets pregnant.
Girl can't have abortion because it's against the law.
Girl has to keep the baby or give it up for adoption.
If she keeps it, the government gives her a check to take care of it.
If she gives it up for adoption, the government gives the adopting parents a check to take care of it.
Guess who writes that check? YOUR TAXES. _________________
Yes, but it brings up additional issues we currently ignore which should not be.
Giving women the ability to abort gives them a 9-month cancelation window after making the choice (rape victims excepted) to have sexual intercourse to with 100% certainty take a precaution (abortionz) where they do not become a parent.
Men do not have this freedom, as they cannot compel a woman carrying their DNA to abort.
Normally I would not have a problem except that parents are compelled to provide child support.
This is really unfair to men since we have so little control over whether or not children are created.
Here are options that came to mind, though other solutions surely exist:
1. Women should be obligated to genetically test a baby and a male and if he is the father, he must consent to the continuance of the pregnancy or else it must be aborted, unless she acquires a surrogate 2nd party who will take on the role of being an additional parent in place of the father and sign for all the commitments which the father no longer is required to have.
2. If women are allowed to give birth anyway then a father should not be obligated to provide unless he has agreed to fulfill that role by written contract of his construction (could include conditions such as genetic testing to ascertain paternity, getting married prior to birth, etc.).
Basically this is only fair in my book. It discourages things like women who are fixated on becoming mothers trapping unwilling men, or the abuse of anonymous sperm bank information to get child support when they were supposed to be free of that risk, which harms infertile couples' interests.
In the case of rape then part of the sentence should at least include monetary compensation for abortion. This is actually one case where I'd be okay with forcing them to pay support though since by committing a crime it's like they signed over their rights. But of course if they are ever proven innocent at a later time then that is changed back.
I am ABSOLUTELY against abortion. If they were raped, have the baby then set it up for adoption if they don't want it. But I bet their opinion WILL change once they look into those eyes that are your own flesh and blood and so sweet and innocent and you know you could never love anything so much.
That's my opinion. _________________
Why are you reading this, its a signature. SO WHAT?
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