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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do i think weed should not be legal or this drug either?

Well, because i don't think people should use some drug/plant to produce a false sense of well being.

I don't need/do weed, because i don't need something to make me feel good. I already feel good.

I think weed (and cigarettes) should be illegalized from being able to be sold in stores OTHER than stores that are based on selling drugs/cigars/ciggarettes.

ex) Your local gas station CANNOT sell weed/cigarettes.
ex) Your local smoke store CAN sell weed/cigarettes.
Laws should be passed and raised for weed/cigarettes to the age of 21.

I know i referred to cigarettes in here when this entire thing was about Cannabis, but my view for them is the same.

Both these drugs would stimulate our economy (cash crop)... The bad part is that i disagree for the reasons people use them.

This (in my opinion) is the best solution between illegalizing weed and legalizing it.


Illegalizing smoking now would be stupid, as theres already millions that are smoking. I would suggest making a cheap replacement before illegalizing it 100%.


I support illegalizing it, but i recognize that people aren't just going to quit because the government tells them to.

That is why i stated restrictions, not bans.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont think its illegal in England yet but read this

http://www.synchronium.net/2009/02/21/jwh-018-toxicology/

its a little important

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't want to walk out of my house and around the neighborhood and see everyone drugged up on weed. It would be incredibly uncomfortable, and I would not even feel the least bit safe. I would also feel like I lived in a ghetto. If weed was legalized crime rates would shoot up, public disturbances as well. It just isn't realistic. We need to think practical, sometimes what the people or the new generation want isn't always what's best.

[Keep in mind this is coming from a 14 year old]


edit: You do not need substances such as these to bring happiness to your body, sure it may be a great feeling, or completely natural marijuana being a herb, but it simply seems morally wrong to me and impractical. If all of my friends began to do these kinds of drugs I would no longer befriend them, I would simply feel lost, abandoned, distorted. These drugs are unnecessary, enjoyable but unnecessary, and I'd prefer if they were not legal.


The same thing that may happen as that happened with prohibition laws. It is illegal, people continue to do it, government legalizes do to popular demand or rise in crime. You may also look at it as gangs can lose money because the drugs are now legal and no longer need be sold in secret.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't want to walk out of my house and around the neighborhood and see everyone drugged up on weed. It would be incredibly uncomfortable, and I would not even feel the least bit safe. I would also feel like I lived in a ghetto. If weed was legalized crime rates would shoot up, public disturbances as well. It just isn't realistic. We need to think practical, sometimes what the people or the new generation want isn't always what's best.

[Keep in mind this is coming from a 14 year old]


edit: You do not need substances such as these to bring happiness to your body, sure it may be a great feeling, or completely natural marijuana being a herb, but it simply seems morally wrong to me and impractical. If all of my friends began to do these kinds of drugs I would no longer befriend them, I would simply feel lost, abandoned, distorted. These drugs are unnecessary, enjoyable but unnecessary, and I'd prefer if they were not legal.


The same thing that may happen as that happened with prohibition laws. It is illegal, people continue to do it, government legalizes do to popular demand or rise in crime. You may also look at it as gangs can lose money because the drugs are now legal and no longer need be sold in secret.

Well you're not a good friend. You should tell your friends NOT to do drugs, not leave them.
Also, you said people doing weed would make you feel unsafe. Yet you also said they bring happiness. Why would happy people make you feel unsafe? Also, this is not about weed, but about a substance like weed but legal.

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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is mainly about why should there be a ban on a substance even if it has no proven harmful effects, especially if there is no ban on alcohol and cigs. The harm of marijuana is normally focused around the harmful effects of smoking, but now we're considering the potential harm, if any, of pure THC.

If a drug were legalized, it certainly wouldn't mean you would see people drugged up outside. Think of alcohol, you rarely see anyone drunk on it except your own family or close friends... and a drug problem is no different than an alcohol problem, perhaps it's your duty to get them help. But you most likely wont see people on drugs that you normally wouldn't, unless you are hanging around questionable people.

I know exactly what you mean when you say that the feeling is not necessary. This is going off topic but I need to say that this feeling is lacked in a drug or alcohol addict. But an addict needs help, not torture (prison/jail). So there should not be such harsh laws if any at all, and the punishment of those laws should focus more around self-rehabilitation.

On the other hand, there are many who feel that they can use drugs responsibly and for their own good (such as myself and some of my close friends). It can be very beneficial for these people to use certain substances for recreational use.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it should be illegal. I don't think weed should be illegal, either, but it is.
I'm in the US, so it's out of the question for me.
Weed has less negative effects than smoking and is generally more effective than alcohol, it is less addicting than cigarettes, and doesn't (usually) give off the depression/rage that alcohol (to some people) does.
I see no good reason for it to be illegal compared to cigarettes and booz.

If this stuff is better/cheaper/healthier or any combination thereof than weed, I say keep/make it legal.

Also, while I'm at it, let's keep cigarettes and alcohol legal too. If it doesn't create any harmful effects other than to the person using it, make it legal. It's your choice to smoke, and not the government's place to say if you can or not. I'm probably never gonna start smoking, but that's my choice, regardless of the health impacts.
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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2009 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just think of this. Have you ever met a person who got a DUI with weed?
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i personally dont care if its legalized in The Usa because its not like everyone knows and the news/gov are not gunna say "Oh yah theres a new substance thats now legal and has the same affects as weed" so i doubt everyone in a whole neighborhood will start doing it out of thin air and theres alwas gunna be the people who wont do it if its legal or not.




also if you do descide to use it DONT DO IT WITH OTHER DRUGS
i think theres a page on how to make it in here lol i didnt open cuz on my laptop i dont have Microsoft office well anywayz here http://www.synchronium.net/2009/02/14/jwh-018-spice-me/
for info on why read here http://www.synchronium.net/2009/02/21/jwh-018-toxicology/

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: Your opinion on new, legal weed: JWH-018 Reply with quote

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TLDR: Jwh-018 is a legal, healthier, cheaper, more effective drug compared to marijuana. Should it stay legal, and would you try it? Why?


that is pure bullshit. There hasn't been enough studies in the field but it seems that is much times stronger than cannabis and that it may affect your health in the negative direction. Why would you want to legalize something like this? In fact why would you wanna legalize any dangerous drugs at all.
This is insane.

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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Your opinion on new, legal weed: JWH-018 Reply with quote

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TLDR: Jwh-018 is a legal, healthier, cheaper, more effective drug compared to marijuana. Should it stay legal, and would you try it? Why?


that is pure bullshit. There hasn't been enough studies in the field

Actually, yes there have been. Aside from the lab rat toxicology report that has been going around (which by the way if you actually read it, it says there should be no risks for humans), some intelligent chemists/biologists have deduced that while it is metabolized through the "least preferred" pathway, it does not break down into any harmful or carcinogenic substance. Considering this along with the fact that you are vaporizing only this pure chemical and no plant matter, we can conclude that it is not cancerous to ingest JWH-018.

Also, many people have been using it, and no one has reported any health problems (other than a gluey deposit on the lips and teeth, but so far this has not been explained as a health problem). You cannot overdose by vaporizing, it doesn't affect heart rate much (only in utterly high doses), and there is obviously no tar from smoking.

I don't think it's right to want a chemical illegal just because it gets you high. Think of caffeine and salvia...

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but it seems that is much times stronger than cannabis

That is like saying a packet of kool-aid is much times stronger than a glass of juice. They are not comparable.

If you compared pure THC to JWH-018, then yes the JWH-018 would be about 4-5 times stronger than THC. But even if you call that "many times" stronger, what's the downside of it being stronger? Doesn't that mean less product to smoke and less materials used to manufacture? Keep in mind that as potent as this substance is, it's still not easy to overdose on.

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and that it may affect your health in the negative direction.

The toxicology report shows that as far as a 99.9999% chance goes, this substance is not harmful to human health. In fact, because this substance acts on the CB1 cannabinoid receptors just like THC, it should have the same anti-cancer effects that causes cancer cells to self-destruct.

But in another perspective, compare this substance to marijuana plant matter. For the most part, it appears to be safer and more effective. I think it should remain legal so that busy, medium-high class individuals such as myself can occasionally have a responsible cannabis high in a healthier, safer fashion.

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Why would you want to legalize something like this?

First of all, it's not illegal. This substance was discovered back in 1996 by John W Huffman and his summer undergraduate research students while experimenting to find cannabis alternatives. It has been used as an ingredient in cannabis alternatives as early as 2000. It has recently gained popularity after being discovered as the active ingredient in the most popular alternatives, and subsequently being mass produced by chemists in china.

The herbal blend Spice is illegal because it was tested and said to contain HU-210, which it most certainly does not, but outlawing Spice is the best way for the government to say they are controlling JWH-018 without actually causing much uproar. Spice doesn't sell to manufactures that ship to USA anyway, even before it was made illegal. Plus, it doesn't even contain JWH-018. The GC/MS machines are incredibly easy to misuse, and would undoubtedly detect residue of previously tested substances if used by inexperienced or uncaring chemists.

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In fact why would you wanna legalize any dangerous drugs at all.

Perhaps so that we can situate care centers that focus on slowly reducing drug intake, a method of quitting drugs which has a reasonable possibility of not wanting to relapse.

Or maybe because most illegal drugs are hardly dangerous at all if used responsibly, just like alcohol or caffeine.

But this substance, JWH-018, is certainly NOT a dangerous drug.

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This is insane.

Quite.
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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do i think weed should not be legal or this drug either?

Well, because i don't think people should use some drug/plant to produce a false sense of well being.

I don't need/do weed, because i don't need something to make me feel good. I already feel good.

I think weed (and cigarettes) should be illegalized from being able to be sold in stores OTHER than stores that are based on selling drugs/cigars/ciggarettes.

ex) Your local gas station CANNOT sell weed/cigarettes.
ex) Your local smoke store CAN sell weed/cigarettes.
Laws should be passed and raised for weed/cigarettes to the age of 21.

I know i referred to cigarettes in here when this entire thing was about Cannabis, but my view for them is the same.

Both these drugs would stimulate our economy (cash crop)... The bad part is that i disagree for the reasons people use them.

This (in my opinion) is the best solution between illegalizing weed and legalizing it.


Cigarettes are at 19 because they expect people to smoke when they're below that age

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This shhould be legal in all shapes and forms, which is also my oppinion on marijuana, marijuana should be legalized and taxed in liquor shops as it would end californias debt in i dunno a FEW MONTHS, i personally dont smoke weed and dont plan on it unless it becomes legal!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This shhould be legal in all shapes and forms, which is also my oppinion on marijuana, marijuana should be legalized and taxed in liquor shops as it would end californias debt in i dunno a FEW MONTHS, i personally dont smoke weed and dont plan on it unless it becomes legal!


Very good to hear such a positive point of view coming from a non-smoker!

It reminds me of when I first started smoking. Like everyone else, I hated weed in my uneducated early years. Then I had a girlfriend who used it, which I didn't mind, but I was concerned for her health so I heavily researched marijuana online, and soon found out that it is most certainly not bad at all and actually sounds very desirable. Then I wanted it so bad that I acted like a stoner before I ever seen weed...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spoilers making weed illegal doesn't make it any harder to get.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not new, expensive, quick tolerance build up, you're not a drug connoisseur, you can vaporize weed, not healthier(weed has anticarcinogens). There is no risk of getting schizophrenia, you either have it or you don't, it just seems to make symptoms appear earlier.
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