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Cyrusmages
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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: [DEBATE] Does God Exist? |
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Aah, found the post that I put in Planet Renders:
| Cyrus wrote: | I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want, but I also believe that everyone has a right to state their views on the matter, so people not realizing why other people try to prove/disprove god is really just a matter of.. I don't know. Without people challenging ideas, there would be nothing practically. We would still all be in the middle ages practically with no one trying to do Science and such, believing in things that aren't real (and if they are, they are not proven).
And now starts my enormous response to the question:
I believe that god is not real. I do, however believe in Jesus.
Millions of people die daily. Crimes are rampant and on the rise. Innocent people get killed every day out of hatred and evil. People kill themselves because the world is so cruel, and what does God do? Nothing, abso-fucking-lutely nothing. He sits on his ass (hypothetically speaking that he is real) and does nothing. In fact, some things in the bible have been PROVEN wrong, you'd think that Jesus and God would sort of steer them in the right direction and not getting stuff wrong, but no. By the way, please don't ask me to say what is wrong because it was so long ago that I studied it I can't remember.
For hundreds of years, when the Christian Church practically ruled, they all believed in a Geocentric universe (the earth is in the middle and everything else revolves around it) but yet, it's completely wrong. You'd think that a fact that huge God would want right. If there was a god, it would make perfect sense for him to HELP US OUT! End wars, because we will never have a Utopia. There will always be wars, no matter what we do. Some people are naturally evil, and they will always do bad things just because they are mean people, causing crime and troubles and if enough bad people get together, they can cause war and such.
This god fella, he lets us die. He gives us diseases, because some stupid girl (not sexist.. calling the one girl stupid, not all of them) listened to a devil-possesed snake, we are punished? Because two people disobeyed this almighty being (a perfect being, supposedly, if I was perfect I would never let evil happen where I could stop it) , we get punished for the rest of eternity (I think that's how it goes). Two people disobeyed and now we all suffer? Jesus taught to forgive and God hasn't forgiven two people for thousands of years? That makes sense, totally.
And I hate how people love god because he sent his son to die for us? Woo hoo! He can send his son to die, that's a sacrifice. Let him come back up to heaven for 3 days to chill out then send him back and OH MY GOD! God is so awesome because he did that. No, it should be Jesus that gets all the credit.
I haven't really touched on Jesus. I believe that Jesus WAS real, but I don't think he was a miracle worker. I think he was just a little carpenter or whatever.
Christianity, as are all religions, is just a way for people to not be scared of death and to believe that they will have eternal life after death. Truthfully, it's your choice to believe in such a thing, but, we will most likely never know what happens after death. It pisses me off that angels can some down and speak for god, yet they never show themselves in front of a large group of people or make everyone in the world see it at once. That would prove his existence and end this debate. Really, if God was real, he would for sure have proven it by now, and no one say, "There is proof, look around you" or, "Look at you, you're alive, that's proof enough, " or, "The world is proof enough," because no, that fucking isn't and I hate idiots that say that. That is as much proof as someone saying, "Look at this donkey crap, this is proof of meteors." Don't think that makes sense? Exactly.
And no, this isn't a flame post.. Its the truth and I tried to keep insults out of it but the part above about the idiots saying that is just unavoidable and necessary.
Please note that when I say He, I don't mean to say that the almighty being is in fact a he, but because it's just easier than typing he/she or him/her
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EDIT: I figured I should mention something about Hell, too.
I haven't read the entire bible in about 3 or 4 years because I couldn't stomach it any longer, but I think what I remember about hell is that if you don't worship god and be a "good christian", you would burn in hell for all eternity.
Now, there are tens (or even hundreds) of religions in this world, if Christianity is the right one, how the hell are we supposed to know? For example, if I die and find out the God is real and he sends me to hell, I could easily just ask, "How the hell am I supposed to know that Christianity is real? You never proved that you where real by speaking to me or something. "
That is really what hit the hammer on the head for when I used to believe in god. I thought about other religions and thought about them going to hell, but then I thought, "I only believe in God because I was raised to do so, but really, it doesn't make sense that other people from other religions will go to hell because God never showed themselves to them and why should they burn in hell because they where raised to believe in another religion?"
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Im neutral about this one, He/she might exist. I myself don't belive in the evolution. I just can't belive how we started from nothing into what we are at this moment.
The story that one mighty god created human sounds a bit hard to believe aswell..
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Hasn't Evolution been proven? Anyways, even if it has been proven, I'm not a big fan of those two "great answers" anyways.
There we are, found my rant, edited it into the first post. AND WOOOT!!! 1300 post, I didn't even know GD gave Post Count XD
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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In my opinion God doesn't exist.
In the same way I believe that fairies, Zuess and Thor don't exist.
Isnt it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe just because so I can believe in something.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I suck Cokefag's Cock :3 wrote: | In my opinion God doesn't exist.
In the same way I believe that fairies, Zuess and Thor don't exist.
Isnt it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?
Douglas Adams
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
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Those are pro quotes  Do you memorize those or do you have a site or something where you type in a keyword and it pops them up XD
And Phu, why do you want to believe in something?
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| Phu wrote: | | I believe just because so I can believe in something. |
Isn't it enough to believe in yourself and in understanding the world?
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After reading your post you posted on planetrenders I've come with this, your pointing on the fact that god doesn't help us? Well, how comes the human kind is ruling for so long already? Im not saying I believe in god, but if he/she does exist he can't save everybody.
People need to make their own choices which are wrong sometimes.
| I suck Cokefag's Cock :3 wrote: | | Phu wrote: | | I believe just because so I can believe in something. |
Isn't it enough to believe in yourself and in understanding the world? |
Ofcourse it is, but you can't understand everything about this world. Figuring out how we are here now, is a part of that too.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| To0k wrote: | After reading your post you posted on planetrenders I've come with this, your pointing on the fact that god doesn't help us? Well, how comes the human kind is ruling for so long already? Im not saying I believe in god, but if he/she does exist he can't save everybody.
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The human kind has ruled for so long because it got fucking lucky. It was made better, I really can't think of how to explain it, but we we're the ones that could walk upright and do more things than monkeys could and shit.
And if God did exist, if you've ever read the bible, he COULD save everybody. He could save everybody that wanted to be saved. He would protect them and shield them from harm that they shouldn't have needed to endure anyways. He's an almighty being and, supposedly, can listen to everyone's prayers at once. He's "perfect" and powerful.
And I do agree that people need to make choices, but on something big like this, I feel it necessary to challenge critical points in their theories, and I expect people to do the same to me.
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| Cyrusmages wrote: | | To0k wrote: | After reading your post you posted on planetrenders I've come with this, your pointing on the fact that god doesn't help us? Well, how comes the human kind is ruling for so long already? Im not saying I believe in god, but if he/she does exist he can't save everybody.
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The human kind has ruled for so long because it got fucking lucky. It was made better, I really can't think of how to explain it, but we we're the ones that could walk upright and do more things than monkeys could and shit. |
The human kind got lucky, or was it something else?
| Cyrusmages wrote: | | He could save everybody that wanted to be saved. He would protect them and shield them from harm that they shouldn't have needed to endure anyways. He's an almighty being and, supposedly, can listen to everyone's prayers at once. He's "perfect" and powerful. |
Maybe he could save everyone, but do you see us living in a world were noone can die? It would be a complete chaos, so maybe he is still helping us by letting us die and (some of us) at a very young age.
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Human kind evolved and developed through natural selection. That is how we survived, it wasn't luck.
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| To0k wrote: | | The human kind got lucky, or was it something else? |
It could be both, one reason I hate this question but still ask about it anyways.
| To0k wrote: | | Maybe he could save everyone, but do you see us living in a world were noone can die? It would be a complete chaos, so maybe he is still helping us by letting us die and (some of us) at a very young age. |
I didn't say that no one should die, I just think that people that do no wrong should live a good, long, healthy life because they do what their "savior" tells them to do. Why should they be taken off this earth because some asshole decides to drink a tiny bit too much and take a drive, or because some guy decides to go a shooting spree because he went crazy?
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| Cyrusmages wrote: | | To0k wrote: | | The human kind got lucky, or was it something else? |
It could be both, one reason I hate this question but still ask about it anyways.
| To0k wrote: | | Maybe he could save everyone, but do you see us living in a world were noone can die? It would be a complete chaos, so maybe he is still helping us by letting us die and (some of us) at a very young age. |
I didn't say that no one should die, I just think that people that do no wrong should live a good, long, healthy life because they do what their "savior" tells them to do. Why should they be taken off this earth because some asshole decides to drink a tiny bit too much and take a drive, or because some guy decides to go a shooting spree because he went crazy? |
True, that isn't fair but life just isn't fair. Those people are just at the wrong time at the wrong place. We take animals their life aswell by putting them in cage's for a few years and eat them when they've grown in a place not much bigger then a baby bedroom. You consider that as fair?
Also, Im gonna sleep now, il check this thread tommorow.
Night.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| To0k wrote: | True, that isn't fair but life just isn't fair. Those people are just at the wrong time at the wrong place. We take animals their life aswell by putting them in cage's for a few years and eat them when they've grown in a place not much bigger then a baby bedroom. You consider that as fair?
Also, Im gonna sleep now, il check this thread tommorow.
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Life SHOULD be fair, if God loves all of his people, then he should make it fair and protect those unlucky people from dying. Yeh he's perfect but he lets people that love and devote their lives to them die? That makes no sense.
And those animals where victims of natural selection. Whoever made them just didn't feel those animals where going to make it so they didn't add anything on to protect those animals from dangers to come, such as Humans.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ekk!!! Another religion topic.
When, you get oldier you actaully do start seeing if thier's something really out thier... And it can actualy do something for your life... Depending if its screwed up or need guidiance to the right path?
But, whatever... He's some of my thought's enjoy....
Jesus:
All I'm gonna say is kill yourself and go to that happy paradise and leave us alone already.
Budha:
Umm... Enlightment is kinda cool thought... thumps up on fat man.
Moses:
Idiots worship the guy that gave moses he's powers then go read jesus section of my post.
Allah:
Umm... If a religion like this can be easily be exploted to your own devilish means then it probably doesn't exist.
Norse:
Cmon, everyone back then would believe anything.
Eygptians:
Well, religion that believes in highier and low classes speaks for itself don't you think?
Everything else:
Is just run off of other junk like scientology= retarded/ Omish= Serioiusly?(Though their segregated beliefs do seem more of a moral life though....) And, whatever so on you get my ideals by now right?
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