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 Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: C#/C++ but maybe too nooby for this section |
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sorry then..
1. is C# similar to C++
2. is C++ BETTER?
3. language would you recommend me to start with (C or C++)
4. what programm you recommend? (dunno if there are many, just say name pls maybe one that looks like vb6 would be nice but doesnt realy matter)
5. may anyone give me a good tut?
6. would any one help me? (on MSN/ICQ or Yahoo)
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1. is C# similar to C++ -- From what i have seen they are not similar.
2. is C++ BETTER? -- Depends what you mean better, but C++ is more widely used in programs and i like it more since it isn't reliable on microsoft
3. language would you recommend me to start with (C or C++) -- Personally, i like C... Though C++ is a good language.
4. what programm you recommend? (dunno if there are many, just say name pls maybe one that looks like vb6 would be nice but doesnt realy matter) -- I use GCC and G++
5. may anyone give me a good tut? -- Look at the stickies...
6. would any one help me? (on MSN/ICQ or Yahoo) -- Doubt it.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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1. is C# similar to C++ - http://www.softsteel.co.uk/tutorials/cSharp/lesson2.html#2
2. is C++ BETTER? - Refer to number one please
3. language would you recommend me to start with (C or C++) - i've dipped into c++, so I can't recommend it, but I find c# is quite easy to start
4. what programm you recommend? (dunno if there are many, just say
name pls maybe one that looks like vb6 would be nice but doesnt realy matter)
visual studio c# for c# is very useful, but not sure for c++
5. may anyone give me a good tut?
the link above is good, just start from lesson 1 instead
6. would any one help me? (on MSN/ICQ or Yahoo)
i could give advice, and snippets, basic help pretty much
BUT, i use AIM so if you get one, add me "babyyoyoboy"
no quotes in reality
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| 92Garfield wrote: | sorry then..
1. is C# similar to C++
Yes and no. C++ is a direct superset of C: all C is valid C++ but C++ has a huge set of features (object oriented features) layed ontop. C# is basically the same thing (C made objective), but starting from scratch. It is very similar to Java.
2. is C++ BETTER?
No. C# has some issues that would cause me to never touch it (tied to Microsoft, tied to Windows unless you want to use an incomplete open source implementation, tied to .NET which I can't stand), but the language itself is widely considered to be a better implementation of Object Oriented concepts, and it has several powerful concepts that are not present in C++. Put this way: my friend who is the Chairman of Computer Science at a major engineering university is infatuated with C# (even though he's made his living working with C++).
3. language would you recommend me to start with (C or C++)
C. C C C. Learn C first, and if you want to learn Object Oriented concepts, move to Java. This is the sequence my university uses, and it works well. Also, variety is good: learn a language or two well, then dabble in other things to get perspective. I'd recommend giving Perl and Python a try (much more fun to use), Basic and Pascal (get Power Basic or something like that, I'd recommend you never touch Visual Basic).
4. what programm you recommend? (dunno if there are many, just say name pls maybe one that looks like vb6 would be nice but doesnt realy matter)
For Windows, Bloodshed Dev-Cpp
It uses MingW, the Windows port of GCC, and is based on open tools.
Also, for any operating system, Eclipse is well liked by most who have used it.
5. may anyone give me a good tut?
www.cplusplus.net. Also, I'd recommend you get a book on C, such as C in a Nutshell as a reference, or C by Dissection which functions as a full course in C.
6. would any one help me? (on MSN/ICQ or Yahoo)
Send me PMs if you want.
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wow i havent thought i would get that great answers in flash section i always get
"k thy bai"
well, i've red the comments and they are different
is C for windows only? cause if it is it's sensless for me i alrdy know VB for windows it can't do so much but it's enough i want a language for any operating system or at least Windows and Linux
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C and C++ are for Windows + Linux.
C# is only for Windows (unless you use this special + annoying program on linux).
Actually, most of Linux is written in C.
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C# is much faster to develop with, this is why it has such a foothold. It's fast, and easy to develop in, and ultimately ends up as some decently tight, quick code. It's gaining quite a foothold in game development now, and you'll be finding it used more, and more in tools. Even FarCry 2's map editor is written in .NET.
I think it boils down to this for learning purposes.
Yes you'll get somewhere faster with C#. Ultimately however, C is going to be far, far more in depth. Instead of just being presented with some levers, you get to pop open the side, and mess with the innards.
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| slovach wrote: | C# is much faster to develop with, this is why it has such a foothold. It's fast, and easy to develop in, and ultimately ends up as some decently tight, quick code. It's gaining quite a foothold in game development now, and you'll be finding it used more, and more in tools. Even FarCry 2's map editor is written in .NET.
I think it boils down to this for learning purposes.
Yes you'll get somewhere faster with C#. Ultimately however, C is going to be far, far more in depth. Instead of just being presented with some levers, you get to pop open the side, and mess with the innards. |
Thank you for putting that out so nicely. 
I am in game dev and we're focusing on Xbox exporting with XNA.
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Tbh, after reading this thread, I want to change to C#. With C, yes it's more powerful, but it's a lot of work, and it's frustrating. With C#, you can make a nice little program with a nice GUI fast without much work. 
I haven't programmed in C for months, what do you guys think?
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| --Pillboi-- wrote: | Tbh, after reading this thread, I want to change to C#. With C, yes it's more powerful, but it's a lot of work, and it's frustrating. With C#, you can make a nice little program with a nice GUI fast without much work.
I haven't programmed in C for months, what do you guys think? |
Ï think C# is fine if you have the curiosity to look up what happens behind the functions you use, because else you won't get anything when you have to code something in C++.
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| Spawnfestis wrote: | | Ï think C# is fine if you have the curiosity to look up what happens behind the functions you use, because else you won't get anything when you have to code something in C++. |
But do I really want to get into C++? Probably not.
Am I learning how to program to make money or get a job? No.
So, C# could be an easy and effective way to program for me, without looking at what happens behind the scenes.
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| --Pillboi-- wrote: | | Spawnfestis wrote: | | Ï think C# is fine if you have the curiosity to look up what happens behind the functions you use, because else you won't get anything when you have to code something in C++. |
But do I really want to get into C++? Probably not.
Am I learning how to program to make money or get a job? No.
So, C# could be an easy and effective way to program for me, without looking at what happens behind the scenes. |
Don't be too sure, .NET Programming jobs are approaching more often than deeper languages nowadays (at least here in Sweden, where I live).
(note: you don't need a programming grade to get into the industry, hobby programming counts just as much _in most cases_.)
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In my opinion C++ is better. C# is .net, and although most people think opposite, I think C++ is a lot easier than C#. You should start with borland C++ compiler and it is free. It is really easy for GUIs and you just have to make an account on their site for 1 month trial and then make another account for another month
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| Spawnfestis wrote: | Don't be too sure, .NET Programming jobs are approaching more often than deeper languages nowadays (at least here in Sweden, where I live).
(note: you don't need a programming grade to get into the industry, hobby programming counts just as much _in most cases_.) |
True, I may freelance at some time. Okay, I have come to a decision!
When I get the time, start C#! :p
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| --Pillboi-- wrote: | | Spawnfestis wrote: | | Ï think C# is fine if you have the curiosity to look up what happens behind the functions you use, because else you won't get anything when you have to code something in C++. |
But do I really want to get into C++? Probably not.
Am I learning how to program to make money or get a job? No.
So, C# could be an easy and effective way to program for me, without looking at what happens behind the scenes. |
Well if you aren't programming to make money or get a job then learn C++ or Assembly. They teach you more.
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