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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Do pointers change? Reply with quote
Do the values of pointers change everytime you re-load the process?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you followed it down far enough to the hopefully static offset, then no, that won't change. What each one points to however is another story.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
slovach wrote:
If you followed it down far enough to the hopefully static offset, then no, that won't change. What each one points to however is another story.


Okay, thanks

elaborate more on static offsets please.
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If you find a pointer, make sure it's Green and not Black.
If it is black, continue on searching for the pointer. (Pointer to Pointer)
We have finally successfully completed a pointer that points to dynamic data. But pointers are not limited to being static themselves.
Pointers can point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers.
It doesn’t really matter how many layers of pointers there are, as there can be many as many as many.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mozilla Firefox wrote:
If you find a pointer, make sure it's Green and not Black.
If it is black, continue on searching for the pointer. (Pointer to Pointer)
We have finally successfully completed a pointer that points to dynamic data. But pointers are not limited to being static themselves.
Pointers can point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers.
It doesn’t really matter how many layers of pointers there are, as there can be many as many as many.


yes.
you will be able to find out about that if you did the CE tutorial
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
jsin95 wrote:
Mozilla Firefox wrote:
If you find a pointer, make sure it's Green and not Black.
If it is black, continue on searching for the pointer. (Pointer to Pointer)
We have finally successfully completed a pointer that points to dynamic data. But pointers are not limited to being static themselves.
Pointers can point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers that point to pointers.
It doesn’t really matter how many layers of pointers there are, as there can be many as many as many.


yes.
you will be able to find out about that if you did the CE tutorial

I did the CE tutorial. And i repeated exactly what i did in the tutorial and it did not work.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
maxisking wrote:
try again.

Yea, thanks thats so genius I never thought of that.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
does the pointer work the first time? o_o
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
A green address in CE does not mean 100% that it will be static. It is usually correct however. Also, just because you find a pointer doesn't mean it will never change. It depends in how deeply nested the pointer is.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
green is 100% static, IF you use modulename+offset notation for that address
Sure, the address could be used for more than one thing, but it is part of a module (dll) and not allocated dynamically

For pointers it depends on the path and if you actually have a static address as base for the pointer. E.g one pointer path might work on day because of a fluke and the offset was just an accident that it managed to get to the final address. And not using a static address as base, well, anything random can happen then
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I've found the reverse pointer scan to be extremely handy, especially in cases where the game loads many .dlls. Providing its a fairly low level pointer (we're talking 2/3) you can quickly find out what the 'probable' pointer-base is, and then if your still stuck perform a deeper pointer-scan just within that module.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:05 am    Post subject: module scan Reply with quote
Hi Psy,

Just noticed a post you made about reverse pointer scan and scanning within a single module (so a deeper scan can be performed on a DLL for example) - can you possibly explain how you do this? (scan on this module only).. Do you give the min address as the module base and max address as the address of the value itself (i.e. would pointer paths strictly fall within this region? Doesn't ring 100% true to me).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Do pointers change? Reply with quote
maxLOL wrote:
Do the values of pointers change everytime you re-load the process?


There's nothing special about how a pointer is stored, a pointer is just an address that happens to have another address as value, instead of a number.

And as any other address, the value could change at any time, it doesn't matter if it's static or not.
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