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		| Daaamon Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:41 pm    Post subject: Need help on what to get for chirstmas. |   |  
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				| Well, since i cant get anything for my car for christmas, i'd like to upgrade my computer so i can play games and shit more efficiently. Everything on my computer is stock, and i want to make it better (I cant buy a new one). Here are my current specs: 
 Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254)
 System Model: Dimension 4550
 BIOS: Default System BIOS
 Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.53GHz
 Memory: 256MB RAM
 Page File: 344MB used, 273MB available
 Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
 DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
 DX Setup Parameters: Not found
 DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode
 
 Card name: 32MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra
 Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
 Chip type: RAGE128 PRO II, (AGP 4X/PCI)
 DAC type: Internal DAC (350Mhz)
 Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5446&SUBSYS_04091002&REV_00
 Display Memory: 32.0 MB
 Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
 Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
 Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
 
 
 KEEP IN MIND that i am a semi computer noob, try to dumb it down a bit for me
   
 Things I'd like to upgrade:
 -Get a bigger FLAT SCREEN monitor
 -Get a new graphics card, enough to run WoW and Bioshock cleanly
 -Upgrade RAM, enough to play any games in The Orange Box without a problem, and WoW
 -Higher FPS
 -Add more space to my hard drive.
 -Upgrade computer stereo (Currently Logitech X-230)
 -Buy a new D:// Drive (Current one is FUCKED.)
 
 
 That's pretty much it, i dont have a budget, but try to keep the prices low and reasonable
   Try to supply exact product names and prices!
 
 
 Thanks for your help.
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		| ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, Expert Cheater
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Im not sure you'll be able to play bioshock only upgrading ur vid card and ram.. you most likely need to replace ur processor also.. and if ur mobo does not support a nice video card to play bio you will need to replace that too.. 
 also youll need to install vista to play bio.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  | Im not sure you'll be able to play bioshock only upgrading ur vid card and ram.. you most likely need to replace ur processor also.. and if ur mobo does not support a nice video card to play bio you will need to replace that too.. 
 also youll need to install vista to play bio.
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 Bioshock runs on Windows XP.
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  	  | haxory' wrote: |  	  | can't VB do anything?? windows is programmed using VB right? correct me if im wrong.
 
 so all things in windows you have like the start menu is a windows form too.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Xenephobe wrote: |  	  |  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  | Im not sure you'll be able to play bioshock only upgrading ur vid card and ram.. you most likely need to replace ur processor also.. and if ur mobo does not support a nice video card to play bio you will need to replace that too.. 
 also youll need to install vista to play bio.
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 Bioshock runs on Windows XP.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  |  	  | Xenephobe wrote: |  	  |  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  | Im not sure you'll be able to play bioshock only upgrading ur vid card and ram.. you most likely need to replace ur processor also.. and if ur mobo does not support a nice video card to play bio you will need to replace that too.. 
 also youll need to install vista to play bio.
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 Bioshock runs on Windows XP.
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 No, it allows Windows XP and Vista right out of the box.
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  	  | haxory' wrote: |  	  | can't VB do anything?? windows is programmed using VB right? correct me if im wrong.
 
 so all things in windows you have like the start menu is a windows form too.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Xenephobe wrote: |  	  |  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  |  	  | Xenephobe wrote: |  	  |  	  | ,,!,,(-.-),,!,, wrote: |  	  | Im not sure you'll be able to play bioshock only upgrading ur vid card and ram.. you most likely need to replace ur processor also.. and if ur mobo does not support a nice video card to play bio you will need to replace that too.. 
 also youll need to install vista to play bio.
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 Bioshock runs on Windows XP.
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 No, it allows Windows XP and Vista right out of the box.
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 mmm ok, thot it was a vista only game
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Daaamon , it is a low range machine not even mid range. 
 I would look at prices on building a new machine versus buying one built already.
 I have seen some pretty good gaming machines for 600.00 +
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Labyrnth wrote: |  	  | Daaamon , it is a low range machine not even mid range. 
 I would look at prices on building a new machine versus buying one built already.
 I have seen some pretty good gaming machines for 600.00 +
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 Agreed, that machine is too old for anything to be reused really.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:47 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| you need RAM for sure buy ram and new vid card and your ready to for games. gf 8600gt example and some kingston ram _________________
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:06 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | callaw wrote: |  	  | you need RAM for sure buy ram and new vid card and your ready to for games. gf 8600gt example and some kingston ram | 
 
 The 8600gt is a very poor performer, and he can't play any modern game on an old P4, so a new board and CPU is a necessity.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | suck a cheetahs dick wrote: |  	  |  	  | callaw wrote: |  	  | you need RAM for sure buy ram and new vid card and your ready to for games. gf 8600gt example and some kingston ram | 
 
 The 8600gt is a very poor performer, and he can't play any modern game on an old P4, so a new board and CPU is a necessity.
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 Okay but if he's going to buy a brand new M/B and processor and yb3r graphics card then it's almost same as buying new PC, but he mentioned that he really don't have money for that, he wanted upgrade, not new pc..
 As far as i know they aint releasing new processors for i478 socket.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | callaw wrote: |  	  | he wanted upgrade, not new pc.. | 
 
 In his case, upgrading is getting a new rig.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | callaw wrote: |  	  |  	  | suck a cheetahs dick wrote: |  	  |  	  | callaw wrote: |  	  | you need RAM for sure buy ram and new vid card and your ready to for games. gf 8600gt example and some kingston ram | 
 
 The 8600gt is a very poor performer, and he can't play any modern game on an old P4, so a new board and CPU is a necessity.
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 Okay but if he's going to buy a brand new M/B and processor and yb3r graphics card then it's almost same as buying new PC, but he mentioned that he really don't have money for that, he wanted upgrade, not new pc..
 As far as i know they aint releasing new processors for i478 socket.
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 What the hell is this yb3r graphics card you keep mentioning?
 
 Also, there is no new CPU for 478, it was phased out long ago, that's why he needs a new board too. Also, if he replaces all that, you're right, he should go for a whole new computer, which is why I suggested it. Keeping the old P4 is not an option.
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:14 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| can't really get a good upgrade with that junk   
 
 must save up and get parts to build a computer eventually.
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