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Kaizokoji Master Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| appalsap wrote: | | Kaizokuna wrote: | | It's a fetus. I thought you said you were against killing animals too? |
I am, but I can recognize that
a) there's a difference
b) this has nothing to do with anything, you're just trying to apply the same rationale people use towards eating meat to killing babies, which is horrible and disgusting. |
Well I'm done arguing. We all know nobody ever changes anybody's mind on the internet. I just enjoy it to learn how other people think. Sorry if i made you a bit mad appal, I didn't intend to.
Edit: Reading the other posts, I spread my apologies to the rest of you too o.o
This is merely my perspective. I believe animals are no less equal than we are, we humans just aren't moral enough to let them live. Theres nothing wrong with that the way I see it
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | Kaizokuna wrote: | On what I said earlier about vegetarianism.
I assume most of you here eat meat, as most of America's population does.
What makes killing animals merely to satisfy our taste for meat moral?
We can surivive without it, yet we merely eat it to make our lives more enjoyable.
Now a baby in the womb, I'm sure feels a whole lot less pain than an animal does in being killed.
It makes the mother's life more enjoyable, because she didn't want it in the first place.
So how would eating meat be any more moral than having an abortion?
They serve the same purpose.
And please don't start a "meat gives us important nutrients" argument.
Many vegetarians live healthy and long lives. |
Fail.
Every meat eating animal must prey on another animal to live. Thats how it is in nature. That was a horrible comparison.
| nox wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Daaamon wrote: | | appalsap wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | If the mother knew she wouldn't be able to take care of a child, why the hell did she have unprotected sex for? |
Because abortion is legal (in most countries, on request), careless women are using it as birth control. |
It's their baby. They cant support it, so they get rid of it.
No foul done. |
... Sick bastard.
Killing someone that has done no harm to anyone without someone else being at fault deserves to die?
Yeah they made the child, that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want with the child. You don't see your mother doing whatever she wants. "Ugh. I'm bored of you Damon. /Kill". Just because the baby is inside the mom and is helpless doesn't mean you can kill him/her. |
oh please, that is a terrible argument and you know it. |
Abortion debate is biased; therefore my arguement stands perfectly strong. Idiot. |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Kaizokuna wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | appalsap wrote: | | Kaizokuna wrote: | | At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed? |
It's a fucking animal? |
Not to mention that other carnivors also kill animals. Are those animals unethical because they follow the rules of nature? Humans eat both plants and animals. To eat animals, to survive, we must kill animals. Its natural law. Are you going to call that morally unethical? |
False. We do because we like the taste. And no, I'm not calling any of this unethical. This is why I support abortions. |
Humans are omnivores. We do not have the capabilities most plant-only animals carry to fully digest and recieve all possible nutrients from food. Being a vegan and all that shit is a life-style-choice; they still need to get the nutrients they would get from meat from somewhere else. We don't solely eat meat because of the taste; that is a retarded assumption - at BEST. We eat it because we are meant to eat it. We attain the nutrients in meat we cannot attain from plants.
| nox wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Kaizokuna wrote: | On what I said earlier about vegetarianism.
I assume most of you here eat meat, as most of America's population does.
What makes killing animals merely to satisfy our taste for meat moral?
We can surivive without it, yet we merely eat it to make our lives more enjoyable.
Now a baby in the womb, I'm sure feels a whole lot less pain than an animal does in being killed.
It makes the mother's life more enjoyable, because she didn't want it in the first place.
So how would eating meat be any more moral than having an abortion?
They serve the same purpose.
And please don't start a "meat gives us important nutrients" argument.
Many vegetarians live healthy and long lives. |
Fail.
Every meat eating animal must prey on another animal to live. Thats how it is in nature. That was a horrible comparison.
| nox wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Daaamon wrote: | | appalsap wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | If the mother knew she wouldn't be able to take care of a child, why the hell did she have unprotected sex for? |
Because abortion is legal (in most countries, on request), careless women are using it as birth control. |
It's their baby. They cant support it, so they get rid of it.
No foul done. |
... Sick bastard.
Killing someone that has done no harm to anyone without someone else being at fault deserves to die?
Yeah they made the child, that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want with the child. You don't see your mother doing whatever she wants. "Ugh. I'm bored of you Damon. /Kill". Just because the baby is inside the mom and is helpless doesn't mean you can kill him/her. |
oh please, that is a terrible argument and you know it. |
Abortion debate is biased; therefore my arguement stands perfectly strong. Idiot. |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite?
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Flyte Peanuts!!!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Kaizokuna wrote: | Well I'm done arguing. We all know nobody ever changes anybody's mind on the internet. I just enjoy it to learn how other people think. Sorry if i made you a bit mad appal, I didn't intend to.
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Thats too bad, I was dieing to hear your unstructured and illogical response to my post.
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Flyte wrote: | | Kaizokuna wrote: | Well I'm done arguing. We all know nobody ever changes anybody's mind on the internet. I just enjoy it to learn how other people think. Sorry if i made you a bit mad appal, I didn't intend to.
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Thats too bad, I was dieing to hear your unstructured and illogical response to my post. |
i've been waiting on yours for hours now
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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Flyte Peanuts!!!!
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| nox wrote: | i've been waiting on yours for hours now  |
Really? Link please. I will gladly answer it.
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| it's in the presidential candidacy thread, a couple pages from the back
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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Answer me.
Or were you unable to get the real context of my messege?
Let me add something so you can see it better.
| Blank wrote: | | [Sarcasm]Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite?[/sarcasm] |
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Renkokuken GO Moderator
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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| To further support you, a human fetus isn't human?
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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i didn't reply because i don't really understand your post, are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? sorry, i don't follow :\
anyways,
| Renkokuken wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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| To further support you, a human fetus isn't human? |
no, it is not - similar to how a chicken egg is not a chicken.
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| nox wrote: | | i didn't reply because i don't really understand your post, are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? sorry, i don't follow :\ |
| Blank wrote: | | [Sarcasm]Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite?[/sarcasm] |
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: | | i didn't reply because i don't really understand your post, are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? sorry, i don't follow :\ |
| Blank wrote: | | [Sarcasm]Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite?[/sarcasm] |
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yeah, i posted that before you stealth edit'd
flyte - http://forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?p=1540470#1540470
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Blank I post too much
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| nox wrote: | i didn't reply because i don't really understand your post, are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? sorry, i don't follow :\
anyways,
| Renkokuken wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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| To further support you, a human fetus isn't human? |
no, it is not - similar to how a chicken egg is not a chicken. |
I see. Can we take every single chicken egg and throw it at freshmen for fun? Nothing is going to happen to the chickens because it isn't a chicken. Amrite?
It is sarcasm, by the way.
We can kill human fetuses with no remorse because they aren't humans, am rite? I mean, just because they'll grow like all of us and have our genetic make up and such doesn't make them human. Right?
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nox Expert Cheater
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: | i didn't reply because i don't really understand your post, are you agreeing with me or being sarcastic? sorry, i don't follow :\
anyways,
| Renkokuken wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | Blank wrote: | | nox wrote: |
your argument itself is valid, however the fact that you honestly find a human and a fetus comparable is sad, yet still laughable |
Yes, because a fetus isn't a human. Amrite? |
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| To further support you, a human fetus isn't human? |
no, it is not - similar to how a chicken egg is not a chicken. |
I see. Can we take every single chicken egg and throw it at freshmen for fun? Nothing is going to happen to the chickens because it isn't a chicken. Amrite? |
i responded with a comparison only to satisfy his context, i think its silly to take things any further
and blank, you need to relax, it's just a debate.. i don't see why everyone here needs to get so personal when they run out of things to say (not specifically speaking of you)
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