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Should abortions be legal?

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Yes

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What is an abortion?

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I already have had (an) abortions/aborti

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appalsap
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna: simple. Humans != Animals. (personally I am against the animal killing too, but your argument is stupid) This is why, in a related issue, if you allow gay people to marry it's not like saying people can marry animals, it's because there is a fine line between a human and an animal. _________________

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

On what I said earlier about vegetarianism.
I assume most of you here eat meat, as most of America's population does.
What makes killing animals merely to satisfy our taste for meat moral?
We can surivive without it, yet we merely eat it to make our lives more enjoyable.
Now a baby in the womb, I'm sure feels a whole lot less pain than an animal does in being killed.
It makes the mother's life more enjoyable, because she didn't want it in the first place.
So how would eating meat be any more moral than having an abortion?
They serve the same purpose.
And please don't start a "meat gives us important nutrients" argument.
Many vegetarians live healthy and long lives.

under christian law, humans were given dominion over animals

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna: simple. Humans != Animals. (personally I am against the animal killing too, but your argument is stupid) This is why, in a related issue, if you allow gay people to marry it's not like saying people can marry animals, it's because there is a fine line between a human and an animal.

One can't truely understand the intellect of animals, since one cannot speak nor understand the methods of communications.

Perhaps some animals have the capabilities of perceiving the importance of humans.
We take care of animals with loving care, perhaps it is most of the animals that own the humans.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

I still think that abortion is immoral. If they aborted the baby, why did'nt those people think of the consequences before having unprotected sex?

Since the US is handing out free abortions to teenagers, are they promoting unprotected sex? What about underage sex?

Seriously, i think US have to reconfigure their thoughts of "freedom" to the people.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

Fail.
Every meat eating animal must prey on another animal to live. Thats how it is in nature. That was a horrible comparison.

nox wrote:

Blank wrote:

Daaamon wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Blank wrote:

If the mother knew she wouldn't be able to take care of a child, why the hell did she have unprotected sex for?

Because abortion is legal (in most countries, on request), careless women are using it as birth control.

It's their baby. They cant support it, so they get rid of it.
No foul done.

... Sick bastard.
Killing someone that has done no harm to anyone without someone else being at fault deserves to die?
Yeah they made the child, that doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want with the child. You don't see your mother doing whatever she wants. "Ugh. I'm bored of you Damon. /Kill". Just because the baby is inside the mom and is helpless doesn't mean you can kill him/her.

oh please, that is a terrible argument and you know it.

Abortion debate is biased; therefore my arguement stands perfectly strong. Idiot.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:08 pm Post subject:

nox wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

under christian law, humans were given dominion over animals

Government is required to be seperate from religion. Abortion is being questioned by law, which I'm sure is a governmental issue.

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?
Also related to renko's post, you can't understand the intellect of an animal, nor can you of a newly concieved child.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

It's a fetus. I thought you said you were against killing animals too?

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

Not to mention that other carnivors also kill animals. Are those animals unethical because they follow the rules of nature? Humans eat both plants and animals. To eat animals, to survive, we must kill animals. Its natural law. Are you going to call that morally unethical?
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

This isn't a discussion of morality, this is a discussion of abortion. Don't ignore the facts because it doesn't pertain to the debate you perceive this to be. As to your question: Just because the baby hasn't fully developed doesn't mean they are any less human. Thats like saying we could kill off the mentally or physically handicap.

Kaizokuna wrote:

Also related to renko's post, you can't understand the intellect of an animal, nor can you of a newly concieved child.

But we know the potential intellect of the child.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

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It's a fetus. I thought you said you were against killing animals too?

I am, but I can recognize that

a) there's a difference
b) this has nothing to do with anything, you're just trying to apply the same rationale people use towards eating meat to killing babies, which is horrible and disgusting.
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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

Blank wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

False. We do because we like the taste. And no, I'm not calling any of this unethical. This is why I support abortions.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

It's a fetus. I thought you said you were against killing animals too?

Makes as much sense as telling a lion to quit killing animals, and start eating herbs.

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

It's a fetus. I thought you said you were against killing animals too?

Animals are sustenance to survive, they provide us with many vitamins necessary to survive. Vegetarians are typically unhealthy and no fun to be around.

Kaizokuna wrote:

Blank wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

False. We do because we like the taste. And no, I'm not calling any of this unethical. This is why I support abortions.

Ok, let me get this straight.
Because animal meat tastes good, humans deserve to die?

Last edited by HackOtaku on Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 pm; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject:

Kaizokuna wrote:

Blank wrote:

appalsap wrote:

Kaizokuna wrote:

At appal, this is a discussion of morality. What makes killing an animal more moral than killing a baby who hasn't developed?

It's a fucking animal?

False. We do because we like the taste. And no, I'm not calling any of this unethical. This is why I support abortions.

If we like the taste, mind explaining why salt, spices, sugar, ect are put into meat?

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