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Omicron
How do I cheat?
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 Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: [IMPORTANT] Bot Developement Class (BDC) |
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Hello fellows,
Are you tired of being afraid of being banned for using public bots? Are you tired of having to pay for every program out there? Would you like to have a personal bot that satisfies YOUR needs?
Then I might have the solution for you: I will teach you how to create your own bot in only 2 weeks! I have been teaching people for quite long now and some of them managed to write their own, personal Glider-like bots. For only a little fee I will teach you how to:
- get started and plan your work
- gather all needed information for a good and acurate bot
- defeat DMA in complex and hard-to-hack games like WoW or GW
- understand Memory Structure to easy find what you need
- secure your tools for the case that it gets leaked
- defeat anti-cheat-software
- combine all this into hacks and bots
You name what you want to learn and I will make sure you understand every little detail that are very hard to figure out on your own.
This is what you could be able to do in about 2 weeks:
- Fishing Bots
- EXP Grinding Bots
- Money Grinding Bots
- Resource Gathering Bots
- Tele Hacks
- NoClip Hacks
- Envirenment Changing Tools
- Wallhacks
- AimBots
and more...
The only thing that is required is average programming skills.
Interessted? Drop me a line and we can start today!
Contact: [email protected]
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hacker_of_death
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Bringing Airsoft Downunder
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Zephir
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| eMailed this guy. seems to offer some good information. says would teach 1 on 1 or in groups. 1 on 1 price is 15$ and group 10$.
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compactwater
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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I hope you don't mean you can bypass GameGuard or xTrap in 2 weeks....
Or are you talking about unprotected games?
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Toxic Lullaby
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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So I can pay you, or just research it myself online for free?
Tough choice.
Being banned for botting isn't because the bot is public.
Many times it's because people are too lazy to learn all the bot's functions properly.
They set it up wrong, or use a pre-setup bot, and that's what gets them banned.
A lot of bots offer chatting, and response functions that won't get you banned.
Most people don't ever bother using them because they're too lazy to learn how.
That is what gets people banned.
So instead of paying someone to learn how to make your own...
If you really want to make your own bot look it up online.
My reason behind this is, while being spoon-fed will help you...
You won't be able to maintain or update it properly after he's helped you make it.
Or if you're too lazy to learn yourself, just learn all the functions for the bot[s] you use.
Because like I said, the bot's functions and use determine if you get banned.
So if you really do want to pay him, make sure he's not just teaching you how to make a primitive bot.
Excuse my English.
[Thank goodness for Spelling Check, haha]
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Omicron
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| compactwater wrote: | I hope you don't mean you can bypass GameGuard or xTrap in 2 weeks....
Or are you talking about unprotected games? |
If you call WoW unprotected...
Of course you cannot defeat Warden in 2 weeks nor in 2 months, but i can help you make your program less detectable.
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So I can pay you, or just research it myself online for free?
Tough choice. |
You decide. I cannot force you. However, when I learned this myself I barely found anything on the web. All they say is learn C++ or VB. But after you do that you still do not know anything about the game and you probably lack the needed mathematical skills.
I have a forum running where I posted a nice collection of easy to understand information. You also get support and help from a profecional coder. This you cannot get free on the inet. Or do you believe the glider guy will share his secrets with you? 
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Being banned for botting isn't because the bot is public. |
Well Warden uses a blacklist. If you use a program like WoW!Sharp it will ban u instantly. Why? It scans your computer for "bad" software. If you keep your bot private they wont blacklist it.
I use mine without any security measures and no bans...
You want to know why? Blizzard is just like any other money making company. They do not bother with 0.01 % using private hacks. They better go after the Glider users. A friend of mine said: "It's about quantity not quality". Just think of the effort and money they would have to put in to go after private hacks. They would become bankrupt in no time...
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Toxic Lullaby
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Omicron wrote: |
You decide. I cannot force you. However, when I learned this myself I barely found anything on the web. All they say is learn C++ or VB. But after you do that you still do not know anything about the game and you probably lack the needed mathematical skills.
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I wanted to see how difficult it is to find this information.
In about twenty minutes I found the first helpful website.
So if people are impatient then I can understand how this would annoy them.
If you don't know anything about the game, then why would you try to make a bot for it?
And if you don't have the needed mathematical skills then I doubt you're such a great programmer.
So then you... learn more.
| Omicron wrote: |
I have a forum running where I posted a nice collection of easy to understand information. You also get support and help from a profecional coder. This you cannot get free on the inet. Or do you believe the glider guy will share his secrets with you? Wink
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Actually...
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of websites dedicated to free programming support.
Your questions are usually answered within a few minutes too.
The only thing is that you won't get spoon-fed, which in my opinion is a good thing.
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Well Warden uses a blacklist. If you use a program like WoW!Sharp it will ban u instantly. Why? It scans your computer for "bad" software. If you keep your bot private they wont blacklist it.
I use mine without any security measures and no bans...
You want to know why? Blizzard is just like any other money making company. They do not bother with 0.01
% using private hacks. They better go after the Glider users. A friend of mine said: "It's about quantity not quality". Just think of the effort and money they would have to put in to go after private hacks. They would become bankrupt in no time... |
Warden can be bypassed, as can any other hack protection with proper research and dedication.
It's also quite easy to bypass warden's blacklist.
I'm not saying everyone should go use mainstream programs...
If you do a decent amount of research on them before using them, you'll learn about both the good and the bad about using them.
The thing here is, that once again, most people are lazy.
Contrary to what you believe, game companies go after all kinds of hacks.
It's not a matter of whether it's private, but once again, how you use it, and if you know how to properly use it.
Public and private hacks/bots generally function the same way.
You can have the best private bot in the universe, and if you don't know how to properly use it, you'll get caught.
Inexperience in botting or hacking in general makes your chances of getting caught a lot higher.
People bot in stupid places and don't set their bot up properly, having them get caught.
Like I said before, a lot of bots these days have auto-response functions and things of that nature.
But most people just don't take the effort to learn how to use them properly.
They try once, then if they don't get it 100% they either leave it as is, or they just turn it off.
A lot of people also think that since they can bot in one game, they can easily bot another without having to learn anything new.
Wrong.
If you don't write your own bots you should still know that different games have different bots, which function differently most of the time.
So I can hounestly say that 98% of the people that get banned for botting are doing it wrong.
The only good botters out there are the ones you don't know are botting.
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ulhin
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: No offence |
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if this teaching thing is true why dont u make a tut and post it with a password and if u want u can sell it, ill tell u something, ppl here want to learn to hack or to help hacker FOR FREE so if u want to get payed why dont u go to e-bay or something like that to get money...
here we chill with the posts and disscus them, so with all the respect "take ur crap out of here cause i sence that this whole thing is *******"
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Omicron
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | I wanted to see how difficult it is to find this information.
In about twenty minutes I found the first helpful website.
So if people are impatient then I can understand how this would annoy them. |
I never said that i am the only one out there who knows. I only offer to save you lots of time looking for that information. You can learn how to create a WoW bot in 2-4 hours (if you have a decent skill in C++/VB or AI). Its all about where to look. If I had some one who helped me for a some change I would have made it much faster.
Most tutorials are way longer than they could be. Most tutorials are not up to date. And how should a unexperienced person know which one to trust? By reading about what they are reading. This takes long. And I just offer to save them some time.
| Quote: | | If you don't know anything about the game, then why would you try to make a bot for it? |
Excuse my english skills. I meant the structure of the game. Not what you see when you run and play it.
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And if you don't have the needed mathematical skills then I doubt you're such a great programmer.
So then you... learn more. |
Again, my english. Not I lack the skills, but maybe some people out there. How can you implement a WayPoint system without knowing anything about trigonometry?
| Quote: | Actually...
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of websites dedicated to free programming support. |
Mine saves time figuring out whether it is trustful or not. And free support is (almost) never as good as the one you pay for. Take this forum for example: I see questions being asked every day that are not answered. Why? Because people who post here barely read what has been posted before. WHy? Because they are lazy. So am I. But my thirst for knowledge is bigger than the lazyness. That is the difference.
| Quote: | Warden can be bypassed, as can any other hack protection with proper research and dedication.
It's also quite easy to bypass warden's blacklist.
I'm not saying everyone should go use mainstream programs...
If you do a decent amount of research on them before using them, you'll learn about both the good and the bad about using them. |
1. There is not only the black list system that Warden uses
2. Keeping your Bot secure is way harder than writing it and takes up much more time.
3. and yes... a decent amount of time. If you got it, then dont even bother with posts/offers like mine.
| Quote: | | Contrary to what you believe, game companies go after all kinds of hacks. |
No. Trustful sources report that they dont. More effort than profit. Of course they "ban you on the way" if you use the same techniques as a popular bot does or if you do not pay attention to the security system. But they do not really go after you.
| Quote: | | People bot in stupid places and don't set their bot up properly, having them get caught. |
I provide information, not grey cells.
| Quote: | A lot of people also think that since they can bot in one game, they can easily bot another without having to learn anything new.
Wrong.
If you don't write your own bots you should still know that different games have different bots, which function differently most of the time. |
Yes, I have seen such people asking questions on forums. I for myself concentrate on WoW, GW and Vanguard. The rest is not played that much and FFXI is to hard to cheat on (never checked if this is true. I am a huge FF fan and would never cheat on that game)
| Quote: | | So I can hounestly say that 98% of the people that get banned for botting are doing it wrong. |
Yes and why? Lack of information and patience. People even get pissed when they do not find a WayPoint file for Glider. It only takes 5 mins to make your own and making your own only takes 3-5 clicks and taking a walk.
But those are not the people I aim for. I look for people who are like me. Eager to learn and achieve more and not affraid of spending a few cents along the way.
Besides I offer them to ask questions without being bitched at. An english pay-4-cheat comunity that I am a member of shows me every day that people pay money because they lack information. Good coders are around who just do not know where to start. If you learned your coding skills by yourself then you know your way around in the web. Know all sites and people. But if you get tought by some old man at school... then you enter a completely new world. There is no book that tells you everything you need on the next page. If you code yourself, then you know what i am talking about (or not?)
Besides, I appreciate your input. People have been signing up for Newsletters with the email address I posted in the first post. Instead of arguing they do stupid things.
To WHo ever did that: There is a thing called spam filter, and you do not really think that i use my real email for that? so do not waste your time. Use it to learn something useful, read a tutorial and make people like me useless. This would prove me something.
Seeyas,
Omicron
@ulhin
would you look on ebay? i would not. thus i take my crap here. So if you want me to leave, then convince me of it. Toxic Lullaby is doing it the right way.
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Toxic Lullaby
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Omicron wrote: |
I never said that i am the only one out there who knows. I only offer to save you lots of time looking for that information. You can learn how to create a WoW bot in 2-4 hours (if you have a decent skill in C++/VB or AI). Its all about where to look. If I had some one who helped me for a some change I would have made it much faster.
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I understand that, but that's my point.
If people are too lazy to search for the information themselves, then they'll want to be spoon-fed.
Spoon-feeding is helpful, yes, but in the end it hinders more than it helps.
A person should want to learn how to do it for themselves, not to technically have it done for them.
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Exactly. "Its all about where to look."
I couldn't agree more, but once again, if people aren't willing to look, what makes them so willing to learn?
It goes back to wanting to be spoon fed.
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That is also true.
Assistance does tend to make things faster.
You can find the help you need, most people just lend advice though.
Which is good if you think about it.
Advice and tips help you learn better than having it virtually written for you.
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Most tutorials are way longer than they could be. Most tutorials are not up to date. And how should a unexperienced person know which one to trust? By reading about what they are reading. This takes long. And I just offer to save them some time.
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Its true, but usually the longer tutorials aim to make the user understand exactly how it functions, instead of just telling him what function to use.
Even though some tutorials can be out of date, they can still be useful.
Maybe not to totally bypass the current protection [if it's dealing with that].
But it can still help you learn about how it functions, and point you in the right direction.
And if you don't trust the tutorial, ask for people's advice, if they believe that it would work.
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Excuse my english skills. I meant the structure of the game. Not what you see when you run and play it.
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Your English skills are better than mine...
I understand that, but if you don't know anything about it, that's where research comes in.
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Again, my english. Not I lack the skills, but maybe some people out there. How can you implement a WayPoint system without knowing anything about trigonometry?
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Oh, I didn't mean that you didn't have the needed mathematical skill.
I meant the user, if they don't have the needed skills then they shouldn't jump into the river.
That's why it's called learning, they have to continue learning, before they attempt something out of their league.
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Mine saves time figuring out whether it is trustful or not. And free support is (almost) never as good as the one you pay for. Take this forum for example: I see questions being asked every day that are not answered. Why? Because people who post here barely read what has been posted before. WHy? Because they are lazy. So am I. But my thirst for knowledge is bigger than the lazyness. That is the difference.
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No offense to the Cheat Engine Forums, but it is a very poor place to use as an example.
Programming support forums and websites usually have strict regulations.
This keeps the community to certain types of people.
They usually tend to have more users that are actually experienced than people who aren't.
The reason why is because the inexperienced users end up becoming experienced users through learning.
They don't get spoon fed, so they don't keep asking unneeded questions.
Exactly, they're too lazy to search!
They want to be spoon-fed, they don't want to learn.
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1. There is not only the black list system that Warden uses
2. Keeping your Bot secure is way harder than writing it and takes up much more time.
3. and yes... a decent amount of time. If you got it, then dont even bother with posts/offers like mine.
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1. I know, but Warden is hardly one of the more difficult ones to bypass.
2. Exactly, which most people don't realize.
3. The thing is, both them, and you, need a decent amount of free time.
Why I think that programming forums might be better for support is due to the fact that life happens.
You might not always be available, and your timezones may vary.
This isn't a problem at programming forums that have multiple people to help you.
Also, a service like yours should be offered with multi-lingual support.
Not everyone is lucky enough to be multi-lingual, and even if they are some things may be easier to understand in their native tongue.
So the only thing about your service that seems ... can't think of the English word... but anyway...
I guess, that seems, unsure[?] is the service.
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No. Trustful sources report that they dont. More effort than profit. Of course they "ban you on the way" if you use the same techniques as a popular bot does or if you do not pay attention to the security system. But they do not really go after you.
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They don't focus only on mainstream hacks/bots, and as I said, in general all bots/hacks are tracked the same.
Unless of course it's based on an exploit, that's a totally different story.
And you just said exactly what I did in a different way.
It comes down to one's personal experience and how you use the program/bot.
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I provide information, not grey cells.
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Maybe so, but once again it depends on the game.
I highly doubt that you'd be able to go play every game people ask support for.
Even if you did, then you'd have to stay in the community at least a few months to properly understand their mentality against bots, how they catch them, and where they keep watch.
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But those are not the people I aim for. I look for people who are like me. Eager to learn and achieve more and not affraid of spending a few cents along the way.
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That's the problem though.
The majourity of the people here don't think like that.
They expect to be spoon-fed, especially, if they pay you.
They are like the people you mentioned who are too lazy to make their own waypoints.
So you'll end up with a lot of annoyed customers that might even threaten legal action unless you pay them back.
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Good coders are around who just do not know where to start. If you learned your coding skills by yourself then you know your way around in the web. Know all sites and people. But if you get tought by some old man at school... then you enter a completely new world. There is no book that tells you everything you need on the next page.
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To both of those:
Once again, that is where research comes in.
If people truly want to learn how to do something they have to expect to get their feet wet.
The problem is that most people don't.
They want the information fed to them, they want you to virtually write it for them.
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Besides, I appreciate your input. People have been signing up for Newsletters with the email address I posted in the first post.
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You're welcome.
I'm glad you're getting responses, I'm just not sure if people know exactly what they're paying for.
In either case, I hope you see that it was never my intention to demean you or your service in any way.
Just pointing out some things is all.
Sorry for the length of this post.
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Varreon
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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you said BOTS not HACKS, right? For a fee, im sure this guy can rip you off. BOTS are incredibly easy to make, maybe ill post a tut. This guy is a newcomer to this forum, this just seems fishy...
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ulhin
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| Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Varreon wrote: | | you said BOTS not HACKS, right? For a fee, im sure this guy can rip you off. BOTS are incredibly easy to make, maybe ill post a tut. This guy is a newcomer to this forum, this just seems fishy... |
thats the same point im trying to say to u guys...
| Omicron wrote: | @ulhin
would you look on ebay? i would not. thus i take my crap here. So if you want me to leave, then convince me of it. Toxic Lullaby is doing it the right way. |
sry about the "crapy" thing  i was just angry 
about the e-bay thing why dont u look another place not e-bay maybe u can find someone that want to buy it but i want to tell u that most of ppl here want things for free
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Omicron
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:54 am Post subject: |
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@ Toxic Lullaby
Thank you for your huge reply
I see what you are saying. Maybe it is a bad idea to aim for people like myself since they learn it by themself. And the others who might contact me would probably take longer than 2 weeks to pick it up. 
@ Varreon
Bots/Hacks are not hard if you get the concept. I am not super human or anything. Just a regular guy.
@ ulhin
No Problem. See I was just out for money because I need it really badly. However I did not see some facts that Toxic Lullaby meantioned.
Seems like I just am not made for making money
Gonna make a nice little tutorial and release it. Here and some other places I posted. Don't want you guys to think that I am a liar and cannot do shit
It would be awesome if any people were interested and join me for a project or two.
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ulhin
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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well then i wish u good luck whit ur project 
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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Omicron:
If you want to teach how to make bots or what ever you can do it on this site.
Writing tutorials is the way to go when your trying to teach how to do something online.
People can follow along and read your ideas and concept.
You can Used General Game Hacking for this.
I left this thread up when i seen it just to see what other members think of this. I wasnt sure what your actions was until now.
So good luck on your work.
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