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darkedone02
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| yeah sadly to be honest, I don't see a reason why I should buy this trainer, when there are tables that can do the same thing for free, so I don't see anything here that want me to buy it.
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STN
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| darkedone02 wrote: | yeah sadly to be honest, I don't see a reason why I should buy this trainer, when there are tables that can do the same thing for free, so I don't see anything here that want me to buy it.
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I remember you enjoying our other free trainers very much when there were other free tables and trainers available but you liked ours.
In fact, i see you have given me a +rep as well for helping you. So i "honestly" ask you, why would you be an asshole and try to trash my thread ?
Actually don't answer, the term that's made specifically for people like you is leecher, scumbag, piece of shit etc... thankfully not everyone is like you and there are people who understand why we release some of our stuff paid and what benefits they can get when they support us.
I made this thread for those type of people, not for ungrateful scum of the earth like you  .
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darkedone02
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| darkedone02 wrote: | yeah sadly to be honest, I don't see a reason why I should buy this trainer, when there are tables that can do the same thing for free, so I don't see anything here that want me to buy it.
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I remember you enjoying our other free trainers very much when there were other free tables and trainers available but you liked ours.
In fact, i see you have given me a +rep as well for helping you. So i "honestly" ask you, why would you be an asshole and try to trash my thread ?
Actually don't answer, the term that's made specifically for people like you is leecher, scumbag, piece of shit etc... thankfully not everyone is like you and there are people who understand why we release some of our stuff paid and what benefits they can get when they support us.
I made this thread for those type of people, not for ungrateful scum of the earth like you . |
and your not going to gain any other customers with that kind of attitude...
I say what I said not to be aggressive or to be hostile in anyway, but here you are blowing your shit at me for just being honest, in a business method of what your trying to pull, you need something that makes me want to buy it, but you only got options that other free trainers can give me, why would i buy your trainer if you don't have anything special? Do you not see my point that I'm trying to get across...
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STN
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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First off, Fuck business methods, what kind of business method do you see me using.
If its not apparent already, i don't run a business...you are confusing me with someone else. I have been making trainers since before this place existed, i started my team one year shy of a decade ago producing free trainers and asked for donations, nobody gave a fuck and the site died due to non-payment. A friend revived us years later but it was time to pay for hosting again, the team decided to force "donations" for some of our trainers, guess what ? we survived with that. I have been doing that ever since, releasing some of our stuff paid while majority free and we have kept alive.
I don't know shit about business and i don't care, you see people like antifuck who are very good at this sort of thing, he started off by ripping from me,lingon and other members here, forcing people to go through endless advertisement loops (thanks to me you don't have to go through that shit anymore) and look where he is now. But he's a jew, that's what they do. If you compare me to cheathappens, you are stupider than i thought.
As for your comment not being hostile or rude, seriously ?. You have not used my trainer yet you claim it is worst than others, i think that is pretty rude, don't ya think ?.
If i had a popular site like antifuck or ch, i could afford to produce free trainers and still earn money through advertisements but i don't. And frankly, i can't handle that much traffic making trainers each day. I have a real life and i enjoy having one. I also like having a soul and not manipulating people which my counterparts enjoy doing.
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darkedone02
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| STN wrote: | First off, Fuck business methods, what kind of business method do you see me using.
If its not apparent already, i don't run a business...you are confusing me with someone else. I have been making trainers since before this place existed, i started my team one year shy of a decade ago producing free trainers and asked for donations, nobody gave a fuck and the site died due to non-payment. A friend revived us years later but it was time to pay for hosting again, the team decided to force "donations" for some of our trainers, guess what ? we survived with that. I have been doing that ever since, releasing some of our stuff paid while majority free and we have kept alive.
I don't know shit about business and i don't care, you see people like antifuck who are very good at this sort of thing, he started off by ripping from me,lingon and other members here, forcing people to go through endless advertisement loops (thanks to me you don't have to go through that shit anymore) and look where he is now. But he's a jew, that's what they do. If you compare me to cheathappens, you are stupider than i thought.
As for your comment not being hostile or rude, seriously ?. You have not used my trainer yet you claim it is worst than others, i think that is pretty rude, don't ya think ?.
If i had a popular site like antifuck or ch, i could afford to produce free trainers and still earn money through advertisements but i don't. And frankly, i can't handle that much traffic making trainers each day. I have a real life and i enjoy having one. I also like having a soul and not manipulating people which my counterparts enjoy doing.
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calm down for fucks sakes...
I'm not accusing you of being anything or being align with anyone or such business, nor did I say your trainer is bad, it just don't have something unique that makes me want to buy it, these options you provided have something that free tables and trainers already have, so if you really want me to buy your product, you need to make it unique, have something special even I others don't have.
You offer a price for your trainer and we can only get it if we paid, therefore we see it is a product, and therefor, your forming an business method, there is no such thing as a forced donation, because donations to begin with are voluntary, you remove the meaning of donations if you apply it with force.
advertisement is not bad, although we do get some bad advertisement, it's not universally bad... that's how most people actually gain their money from like youtubers such as totalbiscuit. So Ad revenue is a legit source of cash...
if this is how you treat your customers or new customers, then your not going to live long with this business...
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STN
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| darkedone02 wrote: | nor did I say your trainer is bad, it just don't have something unique that makes me want to buy it, these options you provided have something that free tables and trainers already have, so if you really want me to buy your product, you need to make it unique, have something special even I others don't have.
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I don't think you would buy this trainer if it gave you immortality in real life.
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there is no such thing as a forced donation, because donations to begin with are voluntary, you remove the meaning of donations if you apply it with force.
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Now who do i know who is forcing donations upon people to give them benefits that they can't get if they don't donate ?.
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advertisement is not bad, although we do get some bad advertisement, it's not universally bad... that's how most people actually gain their money from like youtubers such as totalbiscuit. So Ad revenue is a legit source of cash...
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You are completely oblivious to what was going on around here and why rule #8 was made so of course you can't understand my point.
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TidalMello
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| STN wrote: | | darkedone02 wrote: | nor did I say your trainer is bad, it just don't have something unique that makes me want to buy it, these options you provided have something that free tables and trainers already have, so if you really want me to buy your product, you need to make it unique, have something special even I others don't have.
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I don't think you would buy this trainer if it gave you immortality in real life.
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there is no such thing as a forced donation, because donations to begin with are voluntary, you remove the meaning of donations if you apply it with force.
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Now who do i know who is forcing donations upon people to give them benefits that they can't get if they don't donate ?.
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advertisement is not bad, although we do get some bad advertisement, it's not universally bad... that's how most people actually gain their money from like youtubers such as totalbiscuit. So Ad revenue is a legit source of cash...
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You are completely oblivious to what was going on around here and why rule #8 was made so of course you can't understand my point.
Oh i should not really mention this but fuck it, i feel like rubbing it in  . After my arguments with you, there has been an increase in sales. Does that mean i win the argument ?  |
He's saying that it's silly that you're selling a trainer with less options than the free ones in the other threads. You're getting all hostile but he has a point. and honestly I can't see why anyone would buy it either.
And he never said your trainer was bad just that why would he buy something that he can get for free with about 4 clicks? I thought premium trainers had to have unique features.
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NewMember005
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| dam son you can tell by how many swears this guy has that he's serious. he's a really serious swearer. makes me intimidated enough to buy his trainer.
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sethton
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| Jesus OP, butthurt much? The guy had a perfectly valid point. If you're trying to make a bit of money on the side then you're going about it in the most retarded of ways.
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| sethton wrote: | | Jesus OP, butthurt much? The guy had a perfectly valid point. If you're trying to make a bit of money on the side then you're going about it in the most retarded of ways. |
pathetic leeches come in here and then bash people who post free trainers. you losers make me sick.. it's why i quit posting anything for free or doing much to help the community or scene anymore. there's a general lack of history and appreciation of those who came before you and shared the knowledge and methods. none of you actually appreciate it, and people like you are entitled minded, whiny, trainer welfare hobos looking for handouts.. and accepting 'free trainer' work as if it's always 100% working correctly, tested, and safe... and these 'free trainers', coming out in piecemeal over the course of days, when PAID SITES have trainers out in hours, complete with all the appropriate options.
if you don't like or dont want something, then kindly STFU and move on. STN has done nothing wrong here and many of us make plenty of money with trainers, despite what you think are 'retarded ways'.. it's the morons who do it 'for free' and spend 50% of their waking hours feeding 'free' trainers to your open, unappreciative, pathetic, welfare mouths..
bunch of high horse big mouth sht talkers here who cant code "hello world" in visual basic..
without DarkByte's wonderful program and this forum, you guys would be completely helpless. Throwing words like "Butthurt" at people who can actually do for themselves what you beg other people for.. I think it's a valid point for people who cannot code or make trainers and have to pathetically come in here begging for others to provide them trainers, to just STFU and just keep their postings to saying THANKS FOR THE FREE STUFF.
do yourselves a favor and go bash other people's work on your own forum and leave the real coders and professionals alone. when you can put out your own working trainer (and SELL IT!), then you can try to see if those of us WHO ACTUALLY DO THIS AND MAKE MONEY WITH IT actually give a crap what you think or say.
kudos to all the trainer makers out there who do the actual work. double kudos to those of you who made the step to get a little renumeration back for your hard work. no disrespect to coders and those who are making an attempt to try and do something yourself, or to learn. to the rest of you sorry pieces of crap who come on here and bash others and act like you actually mean anything, when truly you are nothing more than worthless leech beggars, then piss off..
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NewMember005
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| Caliber wrote: | | sethton wrote: | | Jesus OP, butthurt much? The guy had a perfectly valid point. If you're trying to make a bit of money on the side then you're going about it in the most retarded of ways. |
...none of you actually appreciate it, and people like you are entitled minded, whiny, trainer welfare hobos looking for handouts... |
Yeah you guys and your Obamatrainers don't care that you are ruining things for everyone. Why, in my day, if a man wanted a trainer, he would go out to the trainer mines and he would assemble that shit from raw memory ore. And he would get paid a nickel. It was hard work, people died. Now anyone can just go apply at the welfare office and get a sack of trainers for nothing. It makes me sad to think that people use things without making it themselves. There should be a law.
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TidalMello
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| Caliber wrote: | | sethton wrote: | | Jesus OP, butthurt much? The guy had a perfectly valid point. If you're trying to make a bit of money on the side then you're going about it in the most retarded of ways. |
pathetic leeches come in here and then bash people who post free trainers. you losers make me sick.. it's why i quit posting anything for free or doing much to help the community or scene anymore. there's a general lack of history and appreciation of those who came before you and shared the knowledge and methods. none of you actually appreciate it, and people like you are entitled minded, whiny, trainer welfare hobos looking for handouts.. and accepting 'free trainer' work as if it's always 100% working correctly, tested, and safe... and these 'free trainers', coming out in piecemeal over the course of days, when PAID SITES have trainers out in hours, complete with all the appropriate options.
if you don't like or dont want something, then kindly STFU and move on. STN has done nothing wrong here and many of us make plenty of money with trainers, despite what you think are 'retarded ways'.. it's the morons who do it 'for free' and spend 50% of their waking hours feeding 'free' trainers to your open, unappreciative, pathetic, welfare mouths..
bunch of high horse big mouth sht talkers here who cant code "hello world" in visual basic..
without DarkByte's wonderful program and this forum, you guys would be completely helpless. Throwing words like "Butthurt" at people who can actually do for themselves what you beg other people for.. I think it's a valid point for people who cannot code or make trainers and have to pathetically come in here begging for others to provide them trainers, to just STFU and just keep their postings to saying THANKS FOR THE FREE STUFF.
do yourselves a favor and go bash other people's work on your own forum and leave the real coders and professionals alone. when you can put out your own working trainer (and SELL IT!), then you can try to see if those of us WHO ACTUALLY DO THIS AND MAKE MONEY WITH IT actually give a crap what you think or say.
kudos to all the trainer makers out there who do the actual work. double kudos to those of you who made the step to get a little renumeration back for your hard work. no disrespect to coders and those who are making an attempt to try and do something yourself, or to learn. to the rest of you sorry pieces of crap who come on here and bash others and act like you actually mean anything, when truly you are nothing more than worthless leech beggars, then piss off.. |
So you expect people to be on your side when you even shit on the people who do it for free, and expect that to make people more open to paying for them. You're digging your own grave man.
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STN
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, i don't think i was swearing that much, was i ?. I have been trying to reduce my usage of the word because it makes people uncomfortable but i can't fucking help it . It helps convey my emotions across perfectly, words simply can't do that. Kind of like Quentin Tarantino movies, where would they be without all the swearing ?. I am telling this to guys who use the word 'butthurt' yeah its pointless.
There's a famous saying we have that goes like "Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience". I see that is what's happening here and i simply refuse to be dragged down to that level.
PS: Just so you know i made progress on the invisiblity cheat, just fixing a few glitches and also finding couple other options. Its coming along slowly, haven't had this much fun since gta v on xbox360.
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darkedone02
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2015 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Caliber wrote: | | sethton wrote: | | Jesus OP, butthurt much? The guy had a perfectly valid point. If you're trying to make a bit of money on the side then you're going about it in the most retarded of ways. |
pathetic leeches come in here and then bash people who post free trainers. you losers make me sick.. it's why i quit posting anything for free or doing much to help the community or scene anymore. there's a general lack of history and appreciation of those who came before you and shared the knowledge and methods. none of you actually appreciate it, and people like you are entitled minded, whiny, trainer welfare hobos looking for handouts.. and accepting 'free trainer' work as if it's always 100% working correctly, tested, and safe... and these 'free trainers', coming out in piecemeal over the course of days, when PAID SITES have trainers out in hours, complete with all the appropriate options.
if you don't like or dont want something, then kindly STFU and move on. STN has done nothing wrong here and many of us make plenty of money with trainers, despite what you think are 'retarded ways'.. it's the morons who do it 'for free' and spend 50% of their waking hours feeding 'free' trainers to your open, unappreciative, pathetic, welfare mouths..
bunch of high horse big mouth sht talkers here who cant code "hello world" in visual basic..
without DarkByte's wonderful program and this forum, you guys would be completely helpless. Throwing words like "Butthurt" at people who can actually do for themselves what you beg other people for.. I think it's a valid point for people who cannot code or make trainers and have to pathetically come in here begging for others to provide them trainers, to just STFU and just keep their postings to saying THANKS FOR THE FREE STUFF.
do yourselves a favor and go bash other people's work on your own forum and leave the real coders and professionals alone. when you can put out your own working trainer (and SELL IT!), then you can try to see if those of us WHO ACTUALLY DO THIS AND MAKE MONEY WITH IT actually give a crap what you think or say.
kudos to all the trainer makers out there who do the actual work. double kudos to those of you who made the step to get a little renumeration back for your hard work. no disrespect to coders and those who are making an attempt to try and do something yourself, or to learn. to the rest of you sorry pieces of crap who come on here and bash others and act like you actually mean anything, when truly you are nothing more than worthless leech beggars, then piss off.. |
you already lost if you continue to harass us like this instead of having a civil conversation about the problem we are talking about, this is why most people also dislike paying paid trainers if the seller has a hostile attitude towards those who buy or not buy your tables/trainers.
Thanks to your open hostility from both of you guys, I don't think I would buy any your products, and not just your hostile attitude that you just unleashed upon me for no apparent reason, your product don't offer anything very special that makes me want to buy it, you guys need some serious therapy, and better ideas on how to make your tables/trainers stand out.
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without DarkByte's wonderful program and this forum, you guys would be completely helpless. Throwing words like "Butthurt" at people who can actually do for themselves what you beg other people for.. I think it's a valid point for people who cannot code or make trainers and have to pathetically come in here begging for others to provide them trainers, to just STFU and just keep their postings to saying THANKS FOR THE FREE STUFF. |
If DarkByte have not made cheat engine, someone else would of done something similar, someone who is inspired by artmoney and would make something else, however this is a "what if" scenario and does not reflect upon reality because cheat engine has already happened, and it's still going strong with no signs of stopping.
We actually do thank alot of the people who make these tables/trainer, when I look at Mrantifun, I see alot of people who ask for updates, and receive tons of thanks when he delivers. I sometimes thank alot of people for making their tables/trainers as well, and cooperate with them to help fix some of the bugs off of their table and posted my results if any of them work, and talk to them about other editions that other people besides myself could help with. I help out on testing out the new things as well.
I always go with the tables that got the most options that I am able to use, and lucky the ones that provided the most for me is the free tables, as I look at the other tables that are not free, I see the same options that the free ones actually has contain nothing special that makes me want to buy it... I give thanks to Recifense for making the tables for most of the RTS games that I play, I give thanks to Shinkensen for digging though every stat he could find in the game, and making table to help us modify it, expectantly his dynasty warriors tables and the latest nobunaga's ambition: spheres of influences. I give thanks to Cielos for giving us tables for our latest RPG games and other older games out there that are supported by GOG.com, and I also give thanks to every other individual who offer up their tables for us to use and tinker around with, and we try our best to get it running for most people as well as helping out the table/trainer developers with anything we can possibly do...
What I love the most in these forums is that people are more FRIENDLY and CALM, and CIVIL. they don't spew hatred, don't call us "welfare hobos" or anything borderline harassment over a simple question. They are beyond that, and they are more open towards suggestions till they say they are done with the whole entire game in question.
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This is a great thread. I like this thread.
Do you think if Liquid Snake was real but not a soldier he would be posting on forums with a superiority complex?
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