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I'm curious as to know what the advantages of learning C over C++ or C++ over C, or if there's another language that surpasses these two. (aside from assembly, I'm learning that either way). Thanks in advance for your help deciding if I ever get around to deciding.

pyr0magex · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject:

I've looked into this a lot myself.

Well, as far as the "best" language goes, there isn't one. Different languages have their different advantages.

Right now, I'm learning C because I want to make a driver Basically, C++ is just an adding on to C, so it would be considered better. I've heard that there are a few differences though, so I started with C first cause it's what I need to know for what I want to make.

But in general, you can't go wrong if you learn C++. And by learn, I mean actually learn, not just play with the GUI.

I could be wrong, and I know what I said wasn't exactly clear, but I thought I'd say something.

Flyte · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject:

C++ is pretty much just C with classes.

appalsap · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject:

Flyte · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject:

appalsap · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:25 pm Post subject:

There are many more features than that, and the common theme is abstraction. C was created to give you the power of assembler with the gift of short code and portability, C++ was inspired by C's syntax but often cannot support C code for 'security' and what have you, and bloats everything in an effort to hide fundamental programming concepts (pointers, memory management) from you. Kind of like windows xp to vista.

Flyte · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject:

appalsap · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject:

Says who, says you?

Flyte · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject:

http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-117.html

I personally like C better anyways.

pyr0magex · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject:

I think the simpler an idea can be expressed, the easier to manage, but hey, that's just me.

I know if I started learning c++, I would get caught up in the Object Oriented part, and probably learn less. Appalsap, I thought I remember people saying that C++ handled pointers better. Maybe not.

My question, is how can you code a large form application, when C doesn't use forms, or doesn't have a form editor. (In all compilers I tried, I wasn't able to make a form in C). But I'm a newbie to all this stuff, so hopefully someone can correct me.

Btw... Those "Answers" seemed very contradicting. I wouldn't base a point based on that information.

Infamous · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject:

Thanks. I'm still undecided but it looks like I'm going more near C, I have more learning resources available to me for that anyways. (People the best resource of all! and then books) Hmm...what to chose...

pyr0magex · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:

If you want, I downloaded like 12gb of ebooks, I could send you some on C if you like

Flyte · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject:

Use Win32 for windows/forms. MFC is horrible.

Infamous · Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2007 6:57 pm Post subject:

That would be awesome if you could. I'll PM you which of my e-mails to send it to.

lXciD · Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject:

I can only say, if C can do it, so can C++...

Why bother with all these language which is better thing... Get pass this as fast as possible and start programming... All programming are all the same in their fundamental form... Be it assembly, C++, C#, VB.NET, Java, etc... There are all use to develop software... Its the user that matters, not the tool...

I agree you need to decide which language to learn because some language have their restriction. Like Java totally took control of the memory management portion and you wouldn't be able to develop very in depth window application with Java. You can't develop VB.NET or C# in linux... But you shouldn't be bother about which is better and more powerful... If you are given the power of the world, but you don't know how to use them... Its equal to you doesn't have that power...

Object Oriented Programming is a concept, not programming language. In the most basic form, They are just putting a hidden 'this' in front of the function parameter. If you program in C you will be doing almost exactly the same... Create structure, pass them to one function... pass them to the other function... and so on and so for...

You can't say functional is better than OOP... but I wouldn't say the other way too...