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Euphoria133 Newbie cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:12 am Post subject: What license does CE use? |
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I am so confused, cheat engine claims to be open source but there is no info whatsoever about the license.
I want to know if I can modify/improve or use the code in my project for example the speedhack and the memory/aob scanner in our trainer?
Can someone clarify if ce is open source and what license it uses?
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:57 am Post subject: Re: What license does CE use? |
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*removed*
See Dark Byte's response below.
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Dark Byte Site Admin Reputation: 458
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:55 am Post subject: |
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No license. You can't use it in your own projects. (ce is source available, not open source)
But you are free to learn from the sourcecode and of course build personal versions for your own use but not distribute to others
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Euphoria133 Newbie cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Dark Byte wrote: | No license. You can't use it in your own projects. (ce is source available, not open source)
But you are free to learn from the sourcecode and of course build personal versions for your own use but not distribute to others |
Reason I asked is because I saw this earlier and even Dark Byte was helping suggesting that it was Ok
ceforum/viewtopic.php?t=559521
That project has been used commercially and distributed unlike what is permitted now. Indeed in the past cheat engine was distributed as open source so using older versions that were distributed as open source should be fine until CE was changed to proprietary.
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Dark Byte Site Admin Reputation: 458
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Still no license there(CE's sourcecode never had one). for personal stuff you can use it. For public projects not so much unless you get a specific license from me for distribution
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Euphoria133 Newbie cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Dark Byte wrote: | Still no license there(CE's sourcecode never had one). for personal stuff you can use it. For public projects not so much unless you get a specific license from me for distribution |
Hmm I can see cheat engine being released as open source through waybackmachine. After some research, you can’t release open source and not have a license, it’s contradictory. The no license state makes it not open source, and you explicitly mentioned ce being open source in past.
Seems ce was also artistic/gpl license a long time ago
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Dark Byte Site Admin Reputation: 458
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 11:25 am Post subject: |
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That's maybe your interpretarion but for me as a non-native english speaking person, it's 'opensource'/'publicsource' without opensource license (no, not artistical or gpl) just so that people can learn from it and use it for themselves. And certainly not for commercial purposes
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2022 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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If DB hasn't included a software license or explicitly placed CE in the public domain through a waiver, CE is almost certainly covered under the Berne Convention.
DB saying CE is "open source" at some point in time is not a license in any way. DB's use of the term "open source" clearly differs from how the OSI uses that same term (I assume you're using the OSI's definition of "open source"). This is a matter of discrepant semantics and doesn't have any legal merit by itself.
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Spot on, being open source does not mean you'd have free reign over the products you build off of it. It simply means you have a change to look at the code. If you have not been given a blanket permission (think along the lines of a GPU-like license) or an expressed permission (individual permission) to reuse the code, you simply can't.
Have you ever wondered why there are so many open source license variants?
Do you think when Windows goes open source, MS will let you release your own OS based on that code?
Open source is there for a community who would like to understand how things work, to help improve something, or, simply, to satisfy curiosity.
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Euphoria133 Newbie cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2022 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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Csimbi wrote: | Spot on, being open source does not mean you'd have free reign over the products you build off of it. It simply means you have a change to look at the code. If you have not been given a blanket permission (think along the lines of a GPU-like license) or an expressed permission (individual permission) to reuse the code, you simply can't.
Have you ever wondered why there are so many open source license variants?
Do you think when Windows goes open source, MS will let you release your own OS based on that code?
Open source is there for a community who would like to understand how things work, to help improve something, or, simply, to satisfy curiosity. |
I only wanted to use CE source like cetack for making trainer fast using latest version of CE since cetack is ancient but it seems Dark Byte hates me and don’t want to add my site or allow ce source. Others get added so fast and use ce source fine.
Thanks anyway
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Csimbi I post too much Reputation: 94
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Euphoria133 wrote: | ...it seems Dark Byte hates me... |
Why would you say that?
Because you are not given permission after a week of being around and demanding stuff?
Trust is not given. It's earned.
Stick around, contribute a few years and once you earned some degree of trust, you could as again.
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Bernice How do I cheat? Reputation: 0
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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The simplest explanation is that open source licenses are legal and binding contracts between the author and the user of a software component, declaring that the software can be used in commercial applications under specified conditions. The license is what turns code into an open source component.
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