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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2016 1:01 pm Post subject: the miracle of 19 and more |
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al-Qur'an al-Kareem has 114 chapters. The sum of the chapters #s is 6555.
there are 6236 verses in al-Qur'an.
if you take each chapter, add its number with its verses, and separate the evens and odds, you will see that the sum of the odd chapters is 6555, and the sum of the even is 6236.
the Prophet Noah is reported to have lived 950 years. there is a chapter in al-Qur'an named after him. remember, Muhammad salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam could not read or write.
the chapter Noah has 950 characters, one for each year.
The NOORANIYYAH Letters, which are initial letters at the beginning of some chapters, have a hidden meaning only Allah knows.
The numerical value of all of the letters summed is 361; 19x19.
not only that, but if you could all of the instances of those letters in the chapter, they will be a multiple of 19!
and, the numerical value of the Prophets' and Messengers' names that were mentioned also all add up to a multiple of 19.
the number of times the word "Allah" appears is a multiple of 19, same for the names in basmala; "Ar-Rahman" and "Ar-Raheem"
salat(prayer) occurs 67 times; if you add the surah and verse they occur in, the total comes to 19x246
"there is no other god besides Him" occurs in 19 surahs, and the word "one" also occurs 19 times when referring to God.
Allah has even left his signature in your body; you have 19x11 bones.
we learn about the miracle of 19 in 74:30-37, as "one of the Greatest miracles". the numerical values of the letters added equals 2185; 19x115.
Allah promised and took it upon himself to perfectly preserve al-Qur'an
and thanks to the miracle of 19, we see His signature in his works; if even one change was made, it would lose 19!
the first portion of al-Qur'an revealed to the Apostle (salah Allahu alayhe wa salaam) was 96, which contains 19 verses. the first portion revealed was the first 5 verses, which comprise 19 words of 76(19x4) letters. the number of letters in the chapter is 19x16. if you don't include the basmala, it is 19x15.
even chapter 19, starts with the letters k-h-y-a-s, and the total occurance is 19x42 for those letters.
if you count the total number of numbered and unnumbered verses, in al-Qur'an, you get 19x334. basmala, also, occurs 19x6 times. but it is missing in surah 9, and present twice in surah 27. there are 19 surahs between those two.
there are 14 initials used in the 29 surahs that begin with unexplained letters (the NOORANIYYAH Letters). if you add up the number of the surahs, and add 14 for the letters, you get 19x44.
between the first and last nooraniyyah surahs, there are 19x2 uninitialed surahs.
al-Qur'an mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. their sum is 19x8534.
it would take thousands of years for our best computer to create such a stunning, miraculous masterpiece
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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The basic question is-- “does style decide the validity of content? ”Style is “how” a thing is presented. Content is “what” is presented. (meaning)
My answer is: No. Style cannot decide the validity of content. Proof – the same thing can be presented in different styles and different things can be presented in the same style. So there is no correlation between style and content. There is no reason the believe the content of something is true because of the style it is presented in.
From almost every religion someone claims that their scriptures contain mathematical miracles. In this case it's a man named Rashad Khalifa who claims that Quran is “mathematically” structured and so it is a miracle and consequently divine. He claim that Quran contains many “features” which are multiples of 19 in a monograph entitled "Computer manifested Miracles in the Holy Qur'an". That's the source of where you're getting all this facebook-level information from.
Even assuming if its structure is “mathematical” , it does not make its contents automatically valid. We have to examine the content to decide its validity. I would like to show whether it is a “miracle” or not from technical point of view without going into the content of the Quran.
Does mathematics prove this as a miracle? On the contrary mathematics show that it is not a miracle. No mathematician takes Khalifa's claim as serious.
Because it contains fundamental flaws.
It is a lie-free deception.
But it is not so easy to convince people of this conclusion; because when you read Khalifa’s work you can't help but be struck by how amazing it sounds. It really is very impressive. It is also true! Khalifa was not lying about his arithmetic; accidental errors aside, all his "features" are really there.
The trick is simple. From any book, you can select “options” or “features” or “items” or what ever you call them. Like in the present case, number of words, number of letters,number of chapters, number of times a word occurs etc. the options are infinite. You can have combination of options like number of letters in the chapter names, number of letters in the odd chapters, number of letters in the even chapters,…so on. Chances are that some of the options are multiples of 19 or for that matter any number.List out the options that are matching with your criteria (i.e. multiples of 19). How many options you think you will get? Thousands and thousands! With slight change in the definition of the options you can get still more options. So what Khalifa is showing is the options that matched with his criteria. What about the options that he left?
The real mathematical person will ask: What are the number of options available?
What percentage of options meeting your criteria? If the percentage is much higher than the statistically allowed probability, then we can call it some kind of “structured” or in Khalifa's language a “miracle”. As I have told, there are infinite number of options and you can get thousands of options that are multiples of any particular number from any book.
To give a crude analogy, it is something like this: From any beach with coarse sand, It is possible that you can find some sand grains exactly weighing say one gram. How many will you get? It depends on how long you spend to collect the “required” grains. Then you bring all the sand grains each exactly weighing one gram and claim that the beach is a miracle and one gram is miracle number. If you do not know how many sand grains I discarded which are not fitting in my scheme, you may think it is a miracle.
Rashada Khalifa did exactly same with the Qu'ran. What can be possible features from Quran? Number of letters in each verse, number of letters in each Surah, total number of letters in the whole book, number of letters in 1st chapter, 2nd chapter….n'th chapter. Now substitute word for letter.Number of time the word God (or any other word for that matter) occurs, number of nouns, places, animals. etc. creativity is the limit. If number of letters in each chapter is coming as a multiple of 19 then take that category, if it is not fitting, check whether total number of letters in all the chapters is fitting into the scheme. With permutations and combinations (like adding chapter numbers and verse numbers) he could derive many features, which he calls as mathematical miracle of the Quran. What about the thousands of other features that are not matching his criteria (like discarded sand grains)?With slight shift in the definition of what is being counted, he could show more“impressive” lists, and he can just keep shifting it as he needs.
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finnegan waking up How do I cheat?
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^criticizes me for citing something contrary, then out of desperation grabs for something that doesn't do anything but insult someone completely unrelated.
"day" is mentioned 365 times, "month" is mentioned 12 times.
"days", the plural and dual forms is mentioned 30 times.
"payment"/"reward" is mentioned 117 times, while "forgiveness" is 117x2
"the righteous" is mentioned 6 times, and "the wicked" 3 times.
"satan" and "angel" are mentioned equal number of times; 88
if you count the number of times the phrase "they said." is mentioned, it is 332; the same number of times the command and word "Say," is mentioned.
the phrase "seven heavens" is also said seven times.
"benefit" and "corrupt" are equally mentioned 50 times; as are "sermon" and "tongue" 25 times equally; "summer-hot" and "winter-cold" are 5 times equally; "sun" and "light" 33 times mentioned; "trouble" and "peace" 13 times.
man and woman; humans have 23 chromosomes. they are equally mentioned 23 times.
bees, too. they have 16 chromosomes, and the 16th surah is named after them.
the word "sea" is mentioned 32 times. "land" is mentioned 13 times. for the total, land-and-sea, this is 45 words. making sea 71.11..%
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/earthhowmuch.html
The Earth is a watery place. But just how much water exists on, in, and above our planet? About 71 percent of the Earth's surface is water-covered, and the oceans hold about 96.5 percent of all Earth's water.
number of times the word moon appears: 27
same amount of time it takes the moon to travel around the earth.
That it is He Who is the Lord of Sirius. (Surat an-Najm, aya 49)
He was two bow-lengths away or even closer. (Surat an-Najm, aya 9)
The stars comprising Sirius approach one another in their courses once every 49.9 years.
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