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C-SPAN Stream: Clinton Precinct Chair lied about vote count

 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:08 am    Post subject: C-SPAN Stream: Clinton Precinct Chair lied about vote count Reply with quote

Copy pasted from reddit:

This was for #43 (I believe) in Des Moines, IA held at Roosevelt High School. It was broadcast live on C-SPAN2.

Final delegate count was Clinton 5, Sanders 4. It was very close. Here is the breakdown:

FIRST VOTE: 215 Sanders 210 Clinton 26 O'Malley 8 Undecided 459 TOTAL

After this, the groups realign and another count was conducted. Sanders's group leads performed a FULL recount of all the supporters in his group. The Clinton team only added the new supporters gained to her original number from the first round of voting. I did not see another recount of the Clinton supporters taking place. It would have been very hard to miss that activity.

SECOND ROUND: 232 Clinton 224 Sanders 456 Total

It was assumed by the chair, Drew Gentsch, that the voter difference was due to a few people that left the building before the second round began. The question is whether there were really 456 total people present for the second round of voting. That was not clear, as Clinton's team did not perform a recount of ALL of the Hillary supporters during the second round of voting. We don't know how many Hillary supporters were in the room. Some of them may have also left the building between rounds.

The Clinton precinct chair, Liz Buck, lied about whether she recounted all of the Clinton supporters during the second count. At 9:44pm ET she stated to the Chair that she only counted the newly gained supporters and added that to her first-round count to arrive at the new 232 total. A minute later, after the second round votes were being discussed openly, with Hillary then taking a 5-4 delegate lead, the Sanders supporters directly asked Liz if she recounted ALL of the Clinton supporters during the second round. Liz Buck answered yes to that question at 9:45pm ET stating that she DID count them all. It's all on tape. The Sanders supports were unsuccessful at getting a recount conducted, even though several of them protested vigorously. Those supporters knew exactly what happened, but instead of the Chair asking Liz to perform a count of all Clinton supports, he said that the results had to be protested formally, leading to a majority vote, that the Sanders supporters lost. It should be noted that, before the recount vote was conducted, the Chair told the crowd that the results of the recount would not have an effect on the outcome.

See 1:48:00 to 1:54:00 in this video. http://www.c-span.org/video/?403824-1/iowa-democratic-caucus-meeting
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh nice now I know where you get your information from. Reddit. No wonder your IQ has dwindled to the double digits.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh nice now I know where you get your information from. Reddit. No wonder your IQ has dwindled to the double digits.



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, but whether the three people in the bathroom were counted or not had no impact whatsoever.

Bernie supporters give off the wrong vibe though when the supporters can't take a loss without being a sore loser. It's just bad sportsmanship to claim the system is rigged everytime a poll doesn't go your way.

Also the video shows a pretty clear majority against a recount, it's not like it was all of Bernie's supporters vs all of Hillary's.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting, but whether the three people in the bathroom were counted or not had no impact whatsoever.

Bernie supporters give off the wrong vibe though when the supporters can't take a loss without being a sore loser. It's just bad sportsmanship to claim the system is rigged everytime a poll doesn't go your way.

Also the video shows a pretty clear majority against a recount, it's not like it was all of Bernie's supporters vs all of Hillary's.

when there are legitimate claims of voter fraud, against any candidate IT DOESN'T MATTER, there should be a recount regardless. It's not about being a sore loser, it's about making sure the votes are correct and accurate.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh nice now I know where you get your information from. Reddit. No wonder your IQ has dwindled to the double digits.

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Clifford wrote:
Interesting, but whether the three people in the bathroom were counted or not had no impact whatsoever.

Bernie supporters give off the wrong vibe though when the supporters can't take a loss without being a sore loser. It's just bad sportsmanship to claim the system is rigged everytime a poll doesn't go your way.

Also the video shows a pretty clear majority against a recount, it's not like it was all of Bernie's supporters vs all of Hillary's.

when there are legitimate claims of voter fraud, against any candidate IT DOESN'T MATTER, there should be a recount regardless.


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www dot rt dot com/usa/331534-democrats-errors-iowa-caucus/

The Iowa Democratic Party did not have comprehensive records on how many coin flips/games of chance were held Monday evening, but they did have a partial record. CNN reported more than half of the 1,681 Democratic caucuses used a new Microsoft reporting app. Of those, there were exactly seven county delegates determined by coin flip. The remaining precincts used traditional phone-line reporting to transmit results.

According to CNN, seven of coin flips/games were recorded using the Microsoft app. Six of them involved Clinton vs Sanders, and Sanders won five of them. The seventh coin flip was between Sanders and O’Malley, which Sanders also won. This is in contrast to reports that Clinton won all coin flips that were performed during the night.

www dot theguardian dot com/us-news/2016/feb/05/iowa-democratic-party-altered-precinct-caucus-results-clinton-sanders
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