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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:19 pm Post subject: Shrooms
"Experiment Confirms Reality Doesn’t Exist If You Are Not Looking at It"
" "At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,” said lead researcher Dr. Andrew Truscott in a press release."
"Some particles, such as photons or electrons, can behave both as particles and as waves. Here comes a question of what exactly makes a photon or an electron act either as a particle or a wave. This is what Wheeler’s experiment asks: at what point does an object ‘decide’?
The results of the Australian scientists’ experiment, which were published in the journal Nature Physics, show that this choice is determined by the way the object is measured, which is in accordance with what quantum theory predicts." _________________
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t328163 wrote:
Your username derives from the fact that this site cannot format special characters lol.
The Charvaka school of philosophy had a variety of atheistic and materialistic beliefs. They held perception to be the valid and reliable source of knowledge.
One of the widely studied principles of Charvaka philosophy was its rejection of inference as a means to establish valid, universal knowledge, and metaphysical truths. In other words, the Charvaka epistemology states that whenever one infers a truth from a set of observations or truths, one must acknowledge doubt; inferred knowledge is conditional.
To Charvakas, Pratyakṣa (perception) was the one valid way to knowledge and other means of knowledge were either always conditional or invalid. They held perception to be the valid and reliable source of knowledge.
With their recognition of the fact that the external world, of which man is part, exists objectively and is therefore not a product of his brain but exists independently of any consciousness;
The mind (that is, abstract thinking), said the Charvakas, did not exist without sensations and perceptions. Propositions and syllogisms were only possible on the basis of those data which were obtained through sensory channels.
in other words:
Charvakas already knew this.
but what i don't get:
if perception is the one valid source of knowledge, and without perception of reality: "reality doesn't exist if you are looking at it", you are perceiving the nonexistence of reality brought about by perception; you are perceiving nonexistence as reality. does this truly count as perception? or perhaps language is flawed.
i see this as conditional. but maybe i'm wrong, maybe the charvakas are wrong, and maybe their views can't apply too much to quantum collapse.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Shrooms
Shrooms wrote:
yes i am god, it is my story.
if i didn't do everything exactly as it happened, this conversation would of never happened.
Yes, as all human beings create and perceive their own realities, we are all gods. I'm serious about this, if you learn English and start writing, you'll go a lot of places.
greatsage wrote:
The mind (that is, abstract thinking), said the Charvakas, did not exist without sensations and perceptions. Propositions and syllogisms were only possible on the basis of those data which were obtained through sensory channels.
in other words:
Charvakas already knew this.
but what i don't get:
if perception is the one valid source of knowledge, and without perception of reality: "reality doesn't exist if you are looking at it", you are perceiving the nonexistence of reality brought about by perception; you are perceiving nonexistence as reality. does this truly count as perception? or perhaps language is flawed.
i see this as conditional. but maybe i'm wrong, maybe the charvakas are wrong, and maybe their views can't apply too much to quantum collapse.
I feel like I'm not a person, don't misunderstand, I still think I deserve human rights, like everyone does, I just feel like I'm not a person.
At the same time, I feel as if everything I perceive is my own creation, including you
The very fact that you interpret my words the way you want to, only proves that you, too, are creating your own reality, but its shared with me since I used these words.
I also feel like every single idea, everything that I say, has already been said by someone before, it just wasn't documented. _________________
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t328163 wrote:
Your username derives from the fact that this site cannot format special characters lol.
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Shrooms
BushDid911 wrote:
Shrooms wrote:
yes i am god, it is my story.
if i didn't do everything exactly as it happened, this conversation would of never happened.
Yes, as all human beings create and perceive their own realities, we are all gods. I'm serious about this, if you learn English and start writing, you'll go a lot of places.
greatsage wrote:
The mind (that is, abstract thinking), said the Charvakas, did not exist without sensations and perceptions. Propositions and syllogisms were only possible on the basis of those data which were obtained through sensory channels.
in other words:
Charvakas already knew this.
but what i don't get:
if perception is the one valid source of knowledge, and without perception of reality: "reality doesn't exist if you are looking at it", you are perceiving the nonexistence of reality brought about by perception; you are perceiving nonexistence as reality. does this truly count as perception? or perhaps language is flawed.
i see this as conditional. but maybe i'm wrong, maybe the charvakas are wrong, and maybe their views can't apply too much to quantum collapse.
I feel like I'm not a person, don't misunderstand, I still think I deserve human rights, like everyone does, I just feel like I'm not a person.
At the same time, I feel as if everything I perceive is my own creation, including you
The very fact that you interpret my words the way you want to, only proves that you, too, are creating your own reality, but its shared with me since I used these words.
I also feel like every single idea, everything that I say, has already been said by someone before, it just wasn't documented.
When a sensible man ceases to see different identities due to different material bodies and he sees how beings are expanded everywhere, he attains to the Brahman conception.
The man who sees me in everything
and everything within me
will not be lost to me, nor
will I ever be lost to him.
He who is rooted in oneness
realizes that I am
in every being; wherever
he goes, he remains in me.
When he sees all being as equal
in suffering or in joy
because they are like himself,
that man has grown perfect in yoga.
Nasadiya Sukta wrote:
Then even nothingness was not, nor existence,
There was no air then, nor the heavens beyond it.
What covered it? Where was it? In whose keeping
Was there then cosmic water, in depths unfathomed?
Then there was neither death nor immortality
nor was there then the torch of night and day.
The One breathed windlessly and self-sustaining.
There was that One then, and there was no other.
At first there was only darkness wrapped in darkness.
All this was only unillumined water.
That One which came to be, enclosed in nothing,
arose at last, born of the power of heat.
In the beginning desire descended on it -
that was the primal seed, born of the mind.
The sages who have searched their hearts with wisdom
know that which is is kin to that which is not.
And they have stretched their cord across the void,
and know what was above, and what below.
Seminal powers made fertile mighty forces.
Below was strength, and over it was impulse.
But, after all, who knows, and who can say
Whence it all came, and how creation happened?
the gods themselves are later than creation,
so who knows truly whence it has arisen?
Whence all creation had its origin,
he, whether he fashioned it or whether he did not,
he, who surveys it all from highest heaven,
he knows - or maybe even he does not know.
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It is said that God wanted to experience the variety of life and so he split himself into many parts and our experience of the world is but a play that God is enjoying.
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Madhva said: "Man is the servant of God," and established his Dvaita philosophy. Ramanuja said: "Man is a ray or spark of God," and established his Visishtadvaita philosophy. Sankara said: "Man is identical with Brahman or the Eternal Soul," and established his Kevala Advaita philosophy.
BushDid911 wrote:
I feel as if everything I perceive is my own creation, including you
The very fact that you interpret my words the way you want to, only proves that you, too, are creating your own reality, but its shared with me since I used these words.
i am not your creation. your perception and perspective, your knowledge, misunderstanding, and ignorance (which all suffer from) lead to consumption of the conception of me;
the closest you can get is saying we all created each other, as we are all the divine being, but even that is not close enough to summarize.
Gita wrote:
There was never a time when these monarchs, you or I did not exist, nor shall we ever cease to exist in the future. (2.12)
The soul acquires another body after death. (2.13)
The invisible Spirit is eternal. The visible physical body is transitory. (2.16)
The Spirit pervades this entire universe and is indestructible. No one can destroy the imperishable Spirit. (2.17)
The physical bodies of the eternal, immutable, and incomprehensible Spirit are perishable. Therefore, fight for your right as your duty, O Arjuna. (2.18)
The Spirit is neither born nor does it die at any time. It does not come into being, or cease to exist. It is unborn, eternal, permanent, and primeval. The Spirit is not destroyed when the body is destroyed. (2.19-20)
Just as a person puts on new garments after discarding old ones, the living entity or the individual soul acquires a new body after casting off the old body. (2.22)
10.19
The Blessed Lord said: Yes, I will tell you of My splendorous manifestations, but only of those which are prominent, O Arjuna, for My opulence is limitless.
10.20
I am the Self, O Guḍākeśa, seated in the hearts of all creatures. I am the beginning, the middle and the end of all beings.
10.21
Of the Ādityas I am Viṣṇu, of lights I am the radiant sun, I am Marīci of the Maruts, and among the stars I am the moon.
10.22
Of the Vedas I am the Sāma-veda; of the demigods I am Indra; of the senses I am the mind, and in living beings I am the living force [knowledge].
10.23
Of all the Rudras I am Lord Śiva; of the Yakṣas and Rākṣasas I am the lord of wealth [Kuvera]; of the Vasus I am fire [Agni], and of the mountains I am Meru.
10.24
Of priests, O Arjuna, know Me to be the chief, Bṛhaspati, the lord of devotion. Of generals I am Skanda, the lord of war; and of bodies of water I am the ocean.
10.25
Of the great sages I am Bhṛgu; of vibrations I am the transcendental om. Of sacrifices I am the chanting of the holy names [japa], and of immovable things I am the Himalayas.
10.26
Of all trees I am the holy fig tree, and amongst sages and demigods I am Nārada. Of the singers of the gods [Gandharvas] I am Citraratha, and among perfected beings I am the sage Kapila.
10.27
Of horses know Me to be Uccaiḥśravā, who rose out of the ocean, born of the elixir of immortality; of lordly elephants I am Airāvata, and among men I am the monarch.
10.28
Of weapons I am the thunderbolt; among cows I am the surabhi, givers of abundant milk. Of procreators I am Kandarpa, the god of love, and of serpents I am Vāsuki, the chief.
10.29
Of the celestial Nāga snakes I am Ananta; of the aquatic deities I am Varuṇa. Of departed ancestors I am Aryamā, and among the dispensers of law I am Yama, lord of death.
10.30
Among the Daitya demons I am the devoted Prahlāda; among subduers I am time; among the beasts I am the lion, and among birds I am Garuḍa, the feathered carrier of Viṣṇu.
10.31
Of purifiers I am the wind; of the wielders of weapons I am Rāma; of fishes I am the shark, and of flowing rivers I am the Ganges.
10.32
Of all creations I am the beginning and the end and also the middle, O Arjuna. Of all sciences I am the spiritual science of the Self, and among logicians I am the conclusive truth.
10.33
Of letters I am the letter A, and among compounds I am the dual word. I am also inexhaustable time, and of creators I am Brahmā, whose manifold faces turn everywhere.
10.34
I am all-devouring death, and I am the generator of all things yet to be. Among women I am fame, fortune, speech, memory, intelligence, faithfulness and patience.
10.35
Of hymns I am the Bṛhat-sāma sung to the Lord Indra, and of poetry I am the Gāyatrī verse, sung daily by brāhmaṇas. Of months I am November and December, and of seasons I am flower-bearing spring.
10.36
I am also the gambling of cheats, and of the splendid I am the splendor. I am victory, I am adventure, and I am the strength of the strong.
10.37
Of the descendants of Vṛṣṇi I am Vāsudeva, and of the Pāṇḍavas I am Arjuna. Of the sages I am Vyāsa, and among great thinkers I am Uśanā.
10.38
Among punishments I am the rod of chastisement, and of those who seek victory, I am morality. Of secret things I am silence, and of the wise I am wisdom.
10.39
Furthermore, O Arjuna, I am the generating seed of all existences. There is no being-moving or unmoving-that can exist without Me.
10.40
O mighty conqueror of enemies, there is no end to My divine manifestations. What I have spoken to you is but a mere indication of My infinite opulences.
10.41
Know that all beautiful, glorious, and mighty creations spring from but a spark of My splendor.
10.42
But what need is there, Arjuna, for all this detailed knowledge? With a single fragment of Myself I pervade and support this entire universe.
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Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 10:09 pm Post subject:
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It is said that God wanted to experience the variety of life and so he split himself into many parts and our experience of the world is but a play that God is enjoying.
Think of it like this
(And I'm using this analogy because we're on CEF, duh)
0 divided by 0 -- > either 0 (since 0*0 = 0) or 1 (since x/x=1)
If we observe these numbers, they're actually the basis for binary
However, the actual solution to the problem is a third, indeterminate form (tends to infinity)
Which brings me to my final point, Plato's Third Man argument, that if you have a dichotomy, that if you could split every single thing in this world into its simplest form, you would have two forms, it either is, or it isn't. However, a third form would naturally always arise, in fact, would be necessary to explain the two forms, and another form to explain that form, ad infinitum. Plato actually explained a lot of concepts with this argument, but in this context, it is, that you can split anything into infinitely many parts, including yourself. In chemistry, we had atoms, but then we realized we had electrons and protons too, then we saw quarks, the fact is, we can split it into infinitely many parts because we perceive it in different forms when it is really the same form. "You cannot conceive of the many without the one" ~ Plato
I would look up the book "Everything is forever: Learning to see timelessness" _________________
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t328163 wrote:
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