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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:58 pm    Post subject: Help with a build pls. Reply with quote

I currently have a biostar A780L mobo, which is AM2+/AM3 socket.
I want to upgrade my cpu and mobo, so I was looking at a phenom II 965, but then I saw the bulldozer zambezi for only $90 more, which has double the cores and easily hits 4.5ghz according to reviews.
I realize having the speed spread out over more cores means less speed per core, and therefor less speed total for games that are limited to 2 or 4 cores, but the reviews still say it outperforms the 965 regardless.
The problem is that it's AM3+, so I'd be getting a new mobo, and I don't really have a lot of cash to spend, I just wanted to take advantage of some winter sales.
So is it fine if I stick with a phenom II?
If so here's the build I have in mind:

Current PSU (I believe 550w, I'll have to check)
Current hdd's (5tb or so total)
Current mobo (A780L)
New ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
New cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
New gpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130613

As for the gpu, I was reading benchmarks and reviews and the 570 seems to be the most cost effective.
I'm looking to get maximum gaming power, and it is $80 off from newegg right now.
Is there any other ~$250 gpu I should get instead that would give better performance?

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with a build pls. Reply with quote

Cryoma wrote:
I currently have a biostar A780L mobo, which is AM2+/AM3 socket.
I want to upgrade my cpu and mobo, so I was looking at a phenom II 965, but then I saw the bulldozer zambezi for only $90 more, which has double the cores and easily hits 4.5ghz according to reviews.
I realize having the speed spread out over more cores means less speed per core, and therefor less speed total for games that are limited to 2 or 4 cores, but the reviews still say it outperforms the 965 regardless.
The problem is that it's AM3+, so I'd be getting a new mobo, and I don't really have a lot of cash to spend, I just wanted to take advantage of some winter sales.
So is it fine if I stick with a phenom II?
If so here's the build I have in mind:

Current PSU (I believe 550w, I'll have to check)
Current hdd's (5tb or so total)
Current mobo (A780L)
New ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
New cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
New gpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130613

As for the gpu, I was reading benchmarks and reviews and the 570 seems to be the most cost effective.
I'm looking to get maximum gaming power, and it is $80 off from newegg right now.
Is there any other ~$250 gpu I should get instead that would give better performance?

Thanks!


Try looking at the GTX 660 (not the TI) i think its newish and its cheaper by like 20 bucks i think it outperforms or is at least the same with newer architecture.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6276/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-review-gk106-rounds-out-the-kepler-family

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put simply:
What's the best <$300 gpu out there?
The 570 is like $80 off but I don't mind spending a bit more for a big difference in performance.
Also low power usage would be great because I don't really want to upgrade my psu.

edit: If I HAD to upgrade my psu, would 680w be enough for this rig?
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817148022

edit: at this rate I'm just going to fan the new gpu and stick with my 9800 gt, I'll just get the 965 and more ram for now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Help with a build pls. Reply with quote

Cryoma wrote:
I currently have a biostar A780L mobo, which is AM2+/AM3 socket.
I want to upgrade my cpu and mobo, so I was looking at a phenom II 965, but then I saw the bulldozer zambezi for only $90 more, which has double the cores and easily hits 4.5ghz according to reviews.
I realize having the speed spread out over more cores means less speed per core, and therefor less speed total for games that are limited to 2 or 4 cores, but the reviews still say it outperforms the 965 regardless.
The problem is that it's AM3+, so I'd be getting a new mobo, and I don't really have a lot of cash to spend, I just wanted to take advantage of some winter sales.
So is it fine if I stick with a phenom II?
If so here's the build I have in mind:

Current PSU (I believe 550w, I'll have to check)
Current hdd's (5tb or so total)
Current mobo (A780L)
New ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231489
New cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
New gpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130613

As for the gpu, I was reading benchmarks and reviews and the 570 seems to be the most cost effective.
I'm looking to get maximum gaming power, and it is $80 off from newegg right now.
Is there any other ~$250 gpu I should get instead that would give better performance?

Thanks!

My build was very similar, but slightly less powerful. Regardless, It can run games like Mafia II, Sleeping dogs, and Crysis 2 at full graphical settings.
I have that same brand of RAM, but only 4 GB. Don't need much more.
I have that Zambezi processor you mentioned earlier (fx 4170) And it DOES reach 4.5ghz easily. Great buy.
And I have a GTX 560 which might get outdated very soon, but it does it's job on everything I've thrown at it flawlessly. Probably going to have to replace it soon enough though.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

More powerful
More video ram
Same price

You would be crazy not to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148-7.html

GTX 570 does better at smaller res, but as you can see the 570 suffers past 1280 x 720. You would be crazy man.

Also also, this is a review of the non GHZ edition and the card I linked is GHZ, so expect it to be even faster.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hero wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

More powerful
More video ram
Same price

You would be crazy not to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148-7.html

GTX 570 does better at smaller res, but as you can see the 570 suffers past 1280 x 720. You would be crazy man.

Also also, this is a review of the non GHZ edition and the card I linked is GHZ, so expect it to be even faster.

Thanks to both of you.
I already ordered the ram, I think I may still get the 965 because it's the best AM3 cpu and only $100, so when I feel like upgrading my mobo and psu as well I'll go for a better cpu and probably the 7870.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cryoma wrote:
Hero wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

More powerful
More video ram
Same price

You would be crazy not to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148-7.html

GTX 570 does better at smaller res, but as you can see the 570 suffers past 1280 x 720. You would be crazy man.

Also also, this is a review of the non GHZ edition and the card I linked is GHZ, so expect it to be even faster.

Thanks to both of you.
I already ordered the ram, I think I may still get the 965 because it's the best AM3 cpu and only $100, so when I feel like upgrading my mobo and psu as well I'll go for a better cpu and probably the 7870.


If you are getting 7870 look at the 660 TI it performs better than the 7870. I have it and its a good card. But i think its more expensive. cant remember

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zcythe wrote:
Cryoma wrote:
Hero wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125418

More powerful
More video ram
Same price

You would be crazy not to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-review-benchmark,3148-7.html

GTX 570 does better at smaller res, but as you can see the 570 suffers past 1280 x 720. You would be crazy man.

Also also, this is a review of the non GHZ edition and the card I linked is GHZ, so expect it to be even faster.

Thanks to both of you.
I already ordered the ram, I think I may still get the 965 because it's the best AM3 cpu and only $100, so when I feel like upgrading my mobo and psu as well I'll go for a better cpu and probably the 7870.


If you are getting 7870 look at the 660 TI it performs better than the 7870. I have it and its a good card. But i think its more expensive. cant remember
Maybe before the 12.11 driver. But the new amd driver bumps performance 10 - 20% in the latest games for the 7850 - 7970.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to keep your current mobo, you can't use more than 8GB of RAM according to biostar's site/specs for mobo.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apotheoun wrote:
If you want to keep your current mobo, you can't use more than 8GB of RAM according to biostar's site/specs for mobo.

Right but it was still a good deal and these sticks will last for a while.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cryoma wrote:
Apotheoun wrote:
If you want to keep your current mobo, you can't use more than 8GB of RAM according to biostar's site/specs for mobo.

Right but it was still a good deal and these sticks will last for a while.
I agree. Buy it now, put it away. You won't use that mobo forever. The odds of DDr4 coming before 2015 are probably slim.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually my mobo only supports ddr2 LOL.
I guess I'll be getting a mobo instead of headphones.
Question: If I get a new AM3+ mobo, will I still be able to use my AM2+ phenom I?
Or will I have to upgrade my cpu also?
And would a zambezi or vishera be a good budget choice for under $200?
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Cryoma wrote:
Actually my mobo only supports ddr2 LOL.
I guess I'll be getting a mobo instead of headphones.
Question: If I get a new AM3+ mobo, will I still be able to use my AM2+ phenom I?
Or will I have to upgrade my cpu also?
And would a zambezi or vishera be a good budget choice for under $200?
AM3+ is compatible with AM3/AM3+ only. The choice for CPU is up to you. In your price range you have the 8150 and 8320. The 8320 is $10 cheaper but somewhere between 5-10% faster than the 8150. Not a noticeable difference, but a slight increase.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apotheoun wrote:
Cryoma wrote:
Actually my mobo only supports ddr2 LOL.
I guess I'll be getting a mobo instead of headphones.
Question: If I get a new AM3+ mobo, will I still be able to use my AM2+ phenom I?
Or will I have to upgrade my cpu also?
And would a zambezi or vishera be a good budget choice for under $200?
AM3+ is compatible with AM3/AM3+ only. The choice for CPU is up to you. In your price range you have the 8150 and 8320. The 8320 is $10 cheaper but somewhere between 5-10% faster than the 8150. Not a noticeable difference, but a slight increase.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested
Try 30 bucks cheaper bro. The prices are off. 8320 is 179.99 and the 8350 is 219.99. The 8350 stock is on par with the i7 3770k. I would go with the 6300 or stick to a phenom II x4 965. The 8350 really excels at multithreading but is still hindered by single threading apps.

As far as motherboards go, stick with 900+ chipset. 970/980/990
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok so which is a better deal?
The 8350 is $220 and the 8150 is $160 with a coupon right now (normally $190).
If I were to just go with the 8150 and save myself $60 would I notice a huge difference in power?
Gonna be using it for gaming, 3d rendering, video editing, other multimedia stuff.
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