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Unbr0ken Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:47 am Post subject: Money with programming? |
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I have a question about the job prospects in this area...
Personally, I learn what I learn because I like it, I am self taught and I love learning. However, I'm also starting a career related to programming, and this is "computer engineering".
And, although I'm starting, I have some doubts, and not precisely technical. How about the job prospects, at least in your country?, I live in Venezuela, and all I see productive is just web programming and web design. I have no idea how or what kind of company can hire an computer engineer, then... Although the profile of my career, shows some features, I don't see what kind of company would fit.
Should be noted that I love the topic of security, especially of video games, and although I am not a hacker or anything like that, I'm very interested that world, I always wanted to develop protections, more decent than "GameGuard", and if is possible, better than sXe Injected, why not, right?...
The problem is that I don't know how I would live if I keep thinking about developing software for live, following up my ideals, which are based on the philosophy of free software. I do not want to end up like Stallman, he may be a genius and a very good person, with excellent principles and ideals, and yes, maybe a little paranoid... but does not earn enough money for the world in which we live. You already know what I mean.
Of course, I hope that in the future, I can move out of my country, Hugo Chávez (President of the Republic), is insane and to be honest, the technologies in my country are very, very outdated. I thought for a long time in Germany, however I do not know how runs the economy and the labor field of computing in Europe.
Well, I will not expand further. My question itself is: the profession that I want to learn, has a stable economic output (in your country at least)?
I do not want to end up like application developer of Android or iOS either; but if it would give me economic stability, would be a good start right?.
Thanks for reading, and... I hope that, if you'll reply, please do it with the word in the heart. Because I was almost flying with the desire of this profession, and talking about it with a friend, and he comes with an axe and ZAP! ZAP! ZAP!, he destroyed all my hopes of it.
Greetings.
P.S.: Excuse me if my level of English grammar is not good, but I don't speak/write in English so much good.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: |
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All depends which field you want to get into with programming. There are many subsets that fall under the 'programmer' title which could lead to potential life time jobs, where others are minor contract work.
As the market stands now, one major increase has been indie game developers. Many of the games becoming premier titles have been from indie companies / developers and have shown that with a small team a game can still prove to be a success.
For me, I live in the states (USA). The most popular jobs around programming now are almost all .NET related and involve database management and such. Not to say there aren't other things that pop up, but for the most part this is where its at.
The pay is good if you can find a good company to work for. Friend of mine works for a company that is partnered with Microsoft. He makes a fairly good amount per-year. Enough to manage two cars, a 2 story house, two kids and still live comfortably.
Phone development has become pretty big too with how advanced phones have become. The only real issue is that you need to find an original idea to produce or do something a lot better then someone else to be able to profit from it. There are a million of the same app in the phone app stores, while 1-2 of them are really popular, the rest are just imitations of people trying to make a quick dollar or two.
Does your computer engineering degree devel into any specifics?
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Unbr0ken Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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First of all, thanks for your answer.
So, is there economy stability in the U.S.?, With all the problems I had heard about Obama, I thought that the economy was in chaos there. I will consider North America forward.
| Quote: | | Does your computer engineering degree into any specifics devel? |
What do you mean by that?, What kind of branches are treated in my career?...
They treat most of branches, but begin with the basics while the student decide which branch he like more. Around the 6th semester, they offer several electives courses, where each one is about different subjects, such as "web programming", "game development", "networks", etc..
However, I have clear that universities in Venezuela are simply pathetic. The student does not specialize in anything. It has a partial knowledge on some branches of the subject, but nothing in depth. For that and more, I am self taught. Because education is extremely poor in Venezuela, here studied who wants, not who can.
For that I am thinking of starting to make programming courses (desktop and web), web design, and everything I like and can do, to have a decent curriculum and in the future, don't cost me to get a job.
By the way, undocumented immigrants are recognized what they have studied in other countries, or does it simply must start from 0?
Again, thanks for reply.
Please, people of another countries, comment to know about those things.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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I can definitely agree the economy is not in the place shape here in the states but I wouldn't say Obama is to blame for it. At most he has done nothing to make it better or worse. Brush (the last president we had) was definitely the one to blame for the majority of the issues we're dealing with now. Obama just got the shit end of the stick coming into being the president at the current state of the economy.
Not to say Obama is perfect though, he has had his faults too.
Some charts to back this up:
http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm
As for careers here, the issue with the states is that it costs money to go to college here unlike a lot of other areas in the world. Along with that, it costs A LOT. Not just a minor about. The amount of debt people have in the states are mostly due to school costs and medical issues.
I wouldn't say its easy to get schooling here unless you come from a wealthy background or have great grades for scholarships.
And yea branches for your career.
In the states, you wont get hired almost anywhere without some sort of college degree. Some places are willing to overlook this if you can prove yourself but majority of the companies wont even look at your resume if it doesn't include some sort of schooling / degree.
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Unbr0ken Advanced Cheater
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, it seems that Clinton was one of the best U.S. presidents.
Hmmm, since it is so expensive to study in the U.S., is there public universities?, Is the study good or bad in these universities?
Since they are so demanding in terms of a degree of study, is recognized the exterior degree of study?, E.g.: me.
Personally, I do not feel humiliated or belittled by starting a job working with less than what I should get for my level of education, with the posibility of progress and go up in rank, any work would be useful. But that doubt, about whether accepted or not, studies of exterior, gives me chills.
Anyway, I wont turn away from the main theme, the point was to know about job possibilities regarding computer engineers in countries outside and I got very good answers from you. It is appreciated.
By the way, it's good to know you're not racist (by the Obama's position).
Greetings.
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Unbr0ken wrote: | Well, it seems that Clinton was one of the best U.S. presidents.
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He had his ups and downs too, but he certainly had the nation in a better place while he was in office. The economy wasn't horrible lol.
| Unbr0ken wrote: | Hmmm, since it is so expensive to study in the U.S., is there public universities?, Is the study good or bad in these universities?
Since they are so demanding in terms of a degree of study, is recognized the exterior degree of study?, E.g.: me. |
Nope, there are no free colleges. You have to pay to get anywhere here.
As for someone outside of the states, unless you get into some exchange program, no. They won't care where you are from, you'll have to pay to go to school here too. (Unless of course you have some scholarship program that is paying for you to come here etc.)
| Unbr0ken wrote: | | Personally, I do not feel humiliated or belittled by starting a job working with less than what I should get for my level of education, with the posibility of progress and go up in rank, any work would be useful. But that doubt, about whether accepted or not, studies of exterior, gives me chills. |
It's a pretty big gamble. You can come pay to study here and land up getting nowhere afterward. The amount of debt you can collect paying for school will come back to haunt you. Depending on what type of job you can land after you are done, you may land up paying off debt for the rest of your life.
A friend of my moms went to school for medical purposes, and is now $250,000 in debt. She doesn't make anywhere near enough to pay it off anytime soon. She landed a decent job right out of school being in the medical field too.
| Unbr0ken wrote: | | By the way, it's good to know you're not racist (by the Obama's position). |
Heh, I'm not racist. I don't hate Obama either. He was the better choice in my opinion when the vote occurred. Personally I don't vote though since it was already proven that our vote doesn't matter. (Hence why we had Bush.)
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hehe, well maybe I did not explain it well enough, you don't understand me in some things, however, I'll clarify:
When I talk about of the recognition of previous studies in foreign countries, I mean that when I graduate here in Venezuela, the title of my career will be the same here as there. Or would it be despised and I would be in the need to start a new career?
Because, what I aspire to do, is to graduate as a computer engineer, make some specializations, courses, etc... and if possible a PhD, if not, with the specializations and engineering degree only, I would go to another country to realize my professional purposes, which go beyond being a SLAVE and an salaried. This is because here in Venezuela, as mentioned above, the technologies are simply obsolete for my objectives.
Thanks for reading .
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