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1929394839292057839194958 Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:15 am Post subject: Apo i'm getting mad give me some builds |
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| I don't want to 1base that's retarded I understand how the game works and I would love to hear your recommendations vs each race. I wanna just try one build over and over for each but the builds I've been given are.. well.. shit.
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whisk Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a huge fan of 15hatch but I suck at following through with it.
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Barnold Swolezzenegger Cheater
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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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I've been working on a highly aggressive play style so I guess you can use what I'm doing as it can be considered cheesy is. It will help you a lot with your micro/macro and all that, but the builds are based around hitting injects and scouting. YOU MUST SCOUT THEM! Very, very, very important to get good scouts off or at least metagame them if you can't scout.
I have to go watch a play so I won't have time to write them up for you now, but when I get home I'll bump this topic with them.
ZvZ: 22 ling timing with 20 ling reinforce into 2base roach timing
9 Overlord
15 pool
15 gas (mine only 100 gas. Pull first drone from gas once you hit 8
17 expo
16 queen
18 overlord and start speed
18-21 queen and 3 sets of lings
23 overlord
23-31 lings
31 overlord
31-42 lings rallied to your opponents base
That's all I'll give you because you won't need to transition out of it. Just watch your lings and dodge banelings. YOU MUST HIT YOUR INJECTS!
You need to have your first overlord scout their expansion by the 4:00 joe. If he has an expansion building, you've pretty much won in the low leagues. If not, send one ling up the ramp when you get there to scout for banelings. Never send all your lings up the ramp.
You cannot delay the first lings, it's based entirely on a timing of the lings getting to the enemy's natural expo by the 5:45-6:00 joe. Target queens if you can. Losing queens early on in ZvZ is worse than losing an overlord. Once you kill the queen/drones at the expo, send a fwe lings up the ramp to check for banelings/roaches. If he has banes, pick them off with a few lings at a time. If he has a roach wall, kill the expo and keep massing lings to send up the ramp. If he just has lings, just run straight for the mineral line and kill workers.
ZvT: Roach/Ling/Bling all-in
15 hatch (send a drone to scout as well)
15 gas
15 pool
17 overlord
The scouting drone is very, very important, you must keep it in your opponent's base as long as you can. You need to scout to see if he's taking a gas or not. If he is, you don't need the spine crawler later, if he isn't, you should put down a spine and expect lots of marines and a few SCVs to be coming your way. You can hold off the bunker pressure with 2 queens, a spine, and a handful of lings. Pull drones only when you see the bunker going down and kill the SCV making it. NEVER PULL YOUR QUEEN OFF CREEP!!
Note you will never pull drones from gas. Keep the three in gas the whole time.
17 2 queens
21 1-2 sets of lings
optional spine crawler if you see 2 rax or scout no gas
Important part here, you need to use these lings to stop his SCV from scouting your base at all costs. You cannot let him see the roach warren or baneling nest. Keep a ling at his front for the SCV and secure the towers with the others. When you see the SCV leave his base, pull all of them to kill it.
23-28 drones
28 roach warren (replace the drone used to make this building)
Around the 5:30-6:20ish mark is when you can expect Hellions if he's making them. Your roaches won't be out until 6:20 so if this happens, queens at the ramp and defend with spine crawler and lings only. You'll lose a bit of mining time and injects, but you'll be fine.
28 ling speed upgrade
28 2 overlords
28-44 8 roaches
44 baneling nest (replace the drone used to make this building)
44-60 lings rallied to his base
8:00 morph in as many banes as possible and get ready to attack.
Around the 8:20 mark is when you want to be attacking with 8 roaches, 30+ lings, and around 8 banelings.
The trick to this entire all-in is to hide your roaches. If he's going hellions, only show about 3 or so to push them back or kill them. You want to hide the army outside of his wall so he can't see it either. When you're ready to take down his wall you need to lead with a 2-3 lings first, then send the banelings to take down a supply depot. After that, stream in lings first then roaches.
YOU MUST DENY HIS SCOUTING AND KEEP UP WITH INJECTS!! Constantly stream in lings after you breach the wall and keep attacking. Most of the time this will win in the lower leagues because it's such an early aggression and pretty hard for them to micro. Morph some lings into banelings and send 2-3 into the mineral line. Remember, it takes 2 unupgraded banelings to kill workers.
ZvP: Leenock ZvP all-in against FFE
This build only works if your opponent opens with a forge fast expansion or nexus first. THIS WILL NOT WORK AGAINST ANY ONE BASE PLAY!
14 gas
14 pool
15 overlord
15 queen/6 lings/ling speed
20 expansion
19 drone
20 2 overlords
20 roach warren (around the 4:20 mark)
When ling speed finishes, cancel your expansion hatch and morph in 10 roaches. After roaches, pull from gas and mass lings to go with your lings. It's very important that you stop him from scouting! You cannot let any probes get into your base! Kill any scouts with those first 6 lings.
When you attack, you need to target the cannons with the roaches, then whatever is walling off the gap so your lings can get in. Lings go straight ot the main to kill off probes while your roaches kill the rest of the base.
I haven't work on my ZvP much so just mass lings and roaches and kill them. If it's a 4gate, 2 spines in your nat and go roach/ling into muta then just kill them. You really can't go wrong, jsut scout. If it's a 3gate robo build, just go roach/hydra/ling into mutas into broods. ezpz.
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Barnold Swolezzenegger Cheater
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| le hump de bump
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elpacco Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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The fuck game is this?
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| FangBanger wrote: | | What is the best way for a lv19 Soldier to solo Sledge on Borderlands? | Shoot him. |
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| elpacco wrote: | | The fuck game is this? | starcraft
ive never played the game and i know
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1929394839292057839194958 Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Starcraft 2, elpacco.
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elpacco Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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I've never seen it discussed so in depth and with so many acronyms...
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| FangBanger wrote: | | What is the best way for a lv19 Soldier to solo Sledge on Borderlands? | Shoot him. |
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1929394839292057839194958 Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| If you play it you'll start to understand.
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| i got a boner reading that
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whisk Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Rozen wrote: | | i got a boner reading that |
what
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