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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:10 pm    Post subject: How do i convince my mom/dad to let me download cheat engine Reply with quote

They keep say its a virus, its a virus and so on. How do i prove that cheat engine isn't a virus?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Download it and don't tell your parents.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell them to check this forum, and we will talk to them
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phox wrote:
Download it and don't tell your parents.

Most of the time this works. This is what i did to install Hamachi and now they're fine with it.
Also, when you install make sure you also delete the newly created folder on the start menu to prevent your parents from seeing it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need to tell them?

And perhaps you shouldn't use it, you seem a bit too.. young... you'll probably end up fucking your computer.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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perhaps you shouldn't use it, you seem a bit too.. young... you'll probably end up fucking your computer


Like how? CE is really idiot proof. You can't just fuck up your computer with the basic options. Even if you are just a kid and you press buttons randomly. He is obviously speaking english, at least a bit, so he can read the buttons. And if he doesn't have problems with the numbers, he can use it. At least for scanning and basic stuff. Even a kid can do it.

As for your parents, if they are smart enough to think about the reasons, here are some:
1. CEF is one of the most popular amongst single player cheat sites.
2. CE is widely used and it has a high reputation amongst cheaters, not to mention that it is in co-operation with an advertisement company. Serious companies are obviously not dealing with simple virus makers.
3. Also this whole forum is a proof that CE is not a virus. They just need to read about it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed Geri.
But really, if they are so concerned about their computer will be
terrorized with all sorts of malicious software - Bring them here :) To this
specific thread. Let them talk to some of us who is serious on this Forum. This
Thread
called "OMG VIRUS!!" was created by Dark Byte in 2006.
Antivirus software has since the dawn of their time accused Cheat Engine
for being a virus, because it uses some mechanisms that "looks scary"
to the antivirus software. But in fact it is not.

I know this is not the way Cheat Engine works, but for the sake of
simplicity (also aimed at your parents), I will try to explain it in this way.

Cheat Engine changes "stuff" inside the Computers memory. Of course
this could be used in a bad way, and harm you PC ~ And therefore does
the Antivirus software always mark Cheat Engine as malicious software.
But we here at Cheat Engine have no intentions for doing you or your
computer harm. Why would we do so? ~ I would also like to add, that
Cheat Engine is "idiot"-proofed. Even if you have absolutely no idea what
you're doing, you can NOT mess up your computer without actually
knowing what you're doing, and intend to do so.
Cheat Engine is a respected piece of software engineered primarily by
Dark Byte. Cheat Engine has a clean reputation.

I would love to help you out, and get you into using Cheat Engine. The
more smart people we have, the better. Who knows, you might end up
getting a whole career out of this!

But if you don't feel comfortable with deceiving your parents by
downloading software without their permission, then please bring them
here - to this specific thread. We'd love to explain everything :)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Print this and leave it on the kitchen table:



Dear Parents of hackslay9999,

Cheat Engine is not a virus, please let your son/daughter install it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:22 pm    Post subject: Re: How do i convince my mom/dad to let me download cheat en Reply with quote

hackslay9999 wrote:
They keep say its a virus, its a virus and so on. How do i prove that cheat engine isn't a virus?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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Ask your parents to buy a LOT of printing paper (and ink)
Then download the sourcecode of ce
http://ce.colddot.nl/browser/Cheat%20Engine%206 and http://ce.colddot.nl/browser/DBKKernel

Then print it ALL out and give it to your parents and tell them to go look for the virus
If they are unable to find the virus then they have no proof that it is a virus and thus you can install Cheat Engine without a problem.

If they still refuse because they rather believe in some made up story instead of pure fact then there's not much you can do. Some people believe the first thing they read/hear and from that point on will refuse any argument of the contrary

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just explain to them the viruses released in a download that the author knows is being detected as a virus by some av would mean that the author is not really intending to release an actual virus in the world. Given what CE is and is capable of doing, no doubt if Dark wanted to release a truely malicious and undetected piece of malware into the world he is more than capable to do so.

I personally feel that the fact it's known detected by some and a thread creating stating this and explaining this away is more than enough to consider it to be safe to download and use.

Direct them here for further reading on what a false positive is in the world of virus detection.

http://service1.symantec.com/sarc/sarc.nsf/info/html/what.false.positive.html

I think if you present your case to them armed with as much correct information as you can get your hands on and argue your case rationally, but with respect to them they may just allow you to use it with their permission give them a bit of education, this will show them that you aren't going off half cocked and you have thoroughly researched this subject.

If it helps, explain that use of this program will help you to gain a better understanding of how computers and software really work. Really even though it's a tool for creating cheats in game it is still an educational tool of sorts.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does your dad play PC games? If so, tell him that he can cheat in his favorite games! (Which he can)

Also @ Dark Byte, I don't even thing they will understand anything in it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lilkid wrote:

Also @ Dark Byte, I don't even thing they will understand anything in it.


haha that was the whole point of showing them the source code... they won't understand a thing and would have to let him download, in theory...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What made them think that Cheat Engine is a virus?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PC_King wrote:
What made them think that Cheat Engine is a virus?


Probably that a lot of Antivirus software goes into Defcon 5 when you try to
get Cheat Engine
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