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Jorg hi · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:00 am Post subject:

You people cannot assume the thoughts of why people do things! That just destroys every possible truth. Thats like saying

My dog ate 3 donuts because my younger dog wasn't hungry.

"That means he is selfish because he didn't share the donuts with the younger dog!!!!!!!!"

When actually the younger dog told him he didn't want any.

What? Why do you have to hate to be nonselfish? Isn't hate selfish?

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redslothx · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject:

I give $20 to the average hobo almost every other day or so if I'm at a red light. Having taken some time to work with these people, they've hit a soft spot in my anti-charitable spirit.

But... I normally get pissed when people ask me to stop 'wasting' money and to donate to people in need instead. (Haiti, south america, africa, middle east, etc). Honestly, these people have no value in my life. It's harsh to say it, but it's true. I see no reason to help them if I don't depend on their existence. It's not that I don't support the cause, but it's just that I simply don't care nor see a purpose.

However, I do think that Altruism exists. I've seen people dedicate years of their lives to pursue a goal that really offers no benefits to them or than a sense of fulfillment and purpose. When it's not about making profit from a book, advertising a product, or advertising themselves, I give these people their well deserved respect. To be able to spend years of your life helping others adjust to harsh, unethical treatments and to raise awareness of these injustices takes a lot of balls, determination, and sacrifices.

ipivb · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:43 pm Post subject:

Jorg hi · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject:

yes! But what we are saying is...... What if those people do not FEEL it as being a reward!!!!!!!!

Do you think Jesus would feel rewarde/accomplished for converting people to Christianity? NO! That is a deeper question that nobody can answer....... Not even you.. the athiests.

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AhMunRa · Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject:

@Jorg an atheist could answer the Jesus question, since atheism denies the existence of a supreme being or beings. They may say that Jesus was like us and but a man, nothing more.

The burning in hell is another debate altogether.

But I think I would be more apt to give money to someone on a street corner than to send money to relief funds. We have gone that route before and the money rarely ends up where it needs to go, instead going to the local warlord.

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ipivb · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:26 am Post subject:

Jorg hi · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject:

So what is the motivation for me posting this below?:

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Edit:From viewing what you guys define 'selfish'
The idea of doing something for a specific motivation.

THEN everything is SELFISH!

InternetIsSeriousBusiness · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:48 pm Post subject:

Calu · How do I cheat? Reputation: 0 Joined: 16 Jan 2011 Posts: 1

i once had a cat. Does it count?

elpacco · Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:31 pm Post subject:

No matter how pure even you think your motives are, there's an underlying trigger that caused you to act the way you did.

Personally, I believe that, in all of existence, there's no such thing as true randomness. Everything is only pseudo-random at most. All actions made are the product of previous events.

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