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Over 30% of pregnancies are unplanned
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Over 30% of pregnancies are unplanned Reply with quote

And another 10% are unwanted.

And the number is probably much, much higher because of parents who are in denial.

What is the deal with young parents being so against abortion? Do they not realize it's better to prevent a child from being born with a plastic spoon in its mouth, rather than raise it in poverty?

These kids grow up and increase unemployment. Because there's so many job applicants, and because they're so piss-poor that they will take any job they can get... employers can easily pay them minimum wage.

And then they don't help the economy at all, because they spend most of their money on drugs (or fines to the government for breaking the law).

Most of your guys' parents are probably in their 30's, and it's sad. Because no one in their early 20's could possibly have enough money to raise a child in anything but poverty. Your 20's are for partying and starting a career. Your 30's are for moving up the career ladder, and if conditions are perfect... considering a child, with perfect planning.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say 30% is a lowball estimate.

Also is this 30% of total pregnancies or is this 30% of unplanned teen pregnancies. I'd wager there is a correlation there of the incidence of unplanned teen pregnancies.

My wife and I didn't start try to have a kid till we were in our late 20's even then I wasn't ready mentally or financially. With what I know today, I'm still not ready to have kids. Had I had any more than 1, I couldn't afford it.

I am however for only having as many kids as you can support financially.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because of religion, obviously. God says it's wrong to kill babies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because of religion, obviously. God says it's wrong to kill babies.


A great example of how religion is directly harming society.

The question is... whats more important: those who are already conscious and living, or those who have yet to be born and are not even self-aware yet. Consciousness is not well understood, but I believe that consciousness is not developed until sometime after birth.

It's a touchy subject even for atheists, but still from a logical point of view, abortion of unplanned pregnancies is better for society.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If my gf'd get preggers and she refused abortion I'd stomp her in the belly so fucking hard, honestly. What the hell is some peoples problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ipivb wrote:
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Because of religion, obviously. God says it's wrong to kill babies.


A great example of how religion is directly harming society.

The question is... whats more important: those who are already conscious and living, or those who have yet to be born and are not even self-aware yet. Consciousness is not well understood, but I believe that consciousness is not developed until sometime after birth.

It's a touchy subject even for atheists, but still from a logical point of view, abortion of unplanned pregnancies is better for society.


From my point of view, it doesn't really matter if it hurts the society. There are many other thing that are causing bigger harm.
However the unplanned child will probably have a crap life so I just say if You cannot raise a child with care and dignity, just don't even start it. Most parents sucks and there are millions of starving kids all over the world because of their parent's stupidity or carelessness.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

>Getting rid of babies for economic reasons.
This is sad on so many levels. You're actually placing a monetary value on life.


Oh well, some people are fucked up like that I guess.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

redslothx wrote:
However, I am very, very, very, VERY against adoptions.


why?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stories like these makes me happy.

Condoms have been around for at least 400 years.
It's one of the most simple things to use.
Yet so many have "accidental pregnancies" or "unplanned pregnancies".
Oh come on. I'm not believing that people these days doesn't know sex = babies.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You gotta understand where the mother's coming from. If I were her I wouldn't wanna get rid of an unborn child also. And I don't think you can have kids after you abort either. As for the parents, it's their fucking fault for having unprotected sex anyways. Fucking retards. I do agree with aborting though, it seems like the rational thing to do. Because if the baby's born in a world of poverty, the child has to pay for the parent's mistake, and that's not right. I personally don't like condoms because they take pleasure. That's why it's good to get your gf on birth control. PlanB is always an option, but that shit's terribly bad for your gf. It's loaded with hormones that makes a forced period. But people are just stupid, the mother will be connected to the child by the time abortion is an option and a lot of religious faggots think it's wrong also; even though you're saving a child from a world of hate. But what can you do?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ipivb wrote:
Receding wrote:
Because of religion, obviously. God says it's wrong to kill babies.


A great example of how religion is directly harming society.

The question is... whats more important: those who are already conscious and living, or those who have yet to be born and are not even self-aware yet. Consciousness is not well understood, but I believe that consciousness is not developed until sometime after birth.

It's a touchy subject even for atheists, but still from a logical point of view, abortion of unplanned pregnancies is better for society.
Religion is the cause of a near infinite number of problems, this is old news bro.

The problem is weak-minded people who can't comprehend the purpose of a limited life. They need to think that there's something after they die. Then religion showed up as a very convenient supplement.

I agree with you entirely, by the way.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, getting her on pills is the best way, agreed. But in cases where that's not an option, I'd rather put on a condom and loose a tiny bit of pleasure, than get an unwanted baby and either have the girl destroyed by abortion, or pay 200k $ for a child I didn't want.

People need to take responsibility. It's not that hard.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Condoms have been around for at least 400 years.
It's one of the most simple things to use.
Yet so many have "accidental pregnancies" or "unplanned pregnancies".
Oh come on. I'm not believing that people these days doesn't know sex = babies.


Actually condom was "invented" thousands of years ago but since it is not fun to use it, people just don't do it. They think "what is the worst that could happen?"
And condom costs money so not using it is cheaper. At least they think so...
And finally, some kid's are really so dumb today, that they don't have a clue that sex = babies. They think it is just fun. It is really hard to believe that but it is not so uncommon. (Probably their parents are awesome people.)

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You gotta understand where the mother's coming from. If I were her I wouldn't wanna get rid of an unborn child also. And I don't think you can have kids after you abort either.


Sometimes it is better to abort and rarely even the doctor will suggest it in some cases. It is not really pleasant but it doesn't mean that the mother cannot have any more kids after that (but this may happen if She has to many abortus).

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I personally don't like condoms because they take pleasure. That's why it's good to get your gf on birth control.


The birth control on the female's side is not always offering 100% protection (condom doesn't do it either but it has a pretty good ratio). Most methods are not working for all females (and doctors just forget to tell that) and taking pills will screw up the body of a girl.
So it is comfortable for You, but it is harmful to Her. It may worth to think about it. Doesn't hurt to be familiar with the side effects of female birth control and why do females hate them.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erblivious wrote:
elpacco wrote:
ipivb wrote:
Receding wrote:
Because of religion, obviously. God says it's wrong to kill babies.


A great example of how religion is directly harming society.

The question is... whats more important: those who are already conscious and living, or those who have yet to be born and are not even self-aware yet. Consciousness is not well understood, but I believe that consciousness is not developed until sometime after birth.

It's a touchy subject even for atheists, but still from a logical point of view, abortion of unplanned pregnancies is better for society.
Religion is the cause of a near infinite number of problems, this is old news bro.

The problem is weak-minded people who can't comprehend the purpose of a limited life. They need to think that there's something after they die. Then religion showed up as a very convenient supplement.


I agree with you entirely, by the way.

WHY

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, It's so sad that there's so many bad parents today. I see so many people with small kids and I just think "They should never be allowed to have or try to raise kids"..

Whenever I get a kid, I won't care how embarrased he/she is going to be , when we need to talk about sex.
It's so important ; Yet so many fail at it ? Why is it such a taboo ?
Sex is the most natural thing. Almost everybody had sex throughout their life (I'm sure there's some lonely souls ....) Seriously.. Why can't you just tell your kids the way it is.. Damn I'm tired of people..
The world in general needs to get better to stop up for a minute, and think things through.

Also, condoms aren't that expensive, and I would be glad to buy 'em for my kid. I'd rather pay a few bucks to make sure they won't ruin their lives with an unwanted pregnancy - and they will ruin the life of the baby as well.

Aaand .. am I the only one who enjoys sex for knowing she enjoys it? I mean, come on .. A condom doesn't really make the big difference..
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