Cheat Engine

Falc0n · Last edited by Falc0n on Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:29 am; edited 1 time in total

First of all! I don't want any idiots replying that don't know anything about law and just spam their one sided opinions and complaints.

Take this scenario:

hcavolsdsadgadsg

Falc0n

elpacco

XSV

InternetIsSeriousBusiness

XSV · Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 1:21 am Post subject:

Yeah, started up alittle website with a paypal system for a couple of months (1-2 years ago). nothing big Xd.

Falc0n · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:24 am Post subject:

I already did too.

Made over £15,000 off it.

What I'm wondering is if it's illegal at all.

Plus what we're selling has no GAME data at all. So CPA isn't violated at all.

hcavolsdsadgadsg · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:57 am Post subject:

worse case scenario is likely just a slap on the wrist and a threat to stop.

Fifty Shades of J · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:44 am Post subject:

No, Its not illegal. and I highly doubt you did either of those things though.

These two quotes are just preposterous, $15,000? I doubt even cheathappens makes nearly that much let alone your site. And in the event that I'm completely wrong and they do I don't think you'd be hear posting about it or asking questions about whether or not it is illegal. And ugh no you can't really see what they do every patch... Most of the time patch notes just tell you that they fixed some hacking exploit or that there "bug fixes" and even then thats still not how that works.

AhMunRa · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:01 am Post subject:

If it specifically states "you will not reverse engineer" yes it is illegal. Some would argue that it's no different than buy a vehicle and replacing the stock radio with a nice after market. I am of the mindset that if you own the game, though you may not own the rights, it is your property to modify if you so wish. This is really what pisses me off about the recent release of games without dedicated servers or the ability to access console, it reduces the playability of the game IMHO. I have games that are probably older than a few people on CEF, but they remain playable due to me being able to mod them, or even hack them.

This question though as far as rule of law goes will probably always be a gray area.

atom0s · Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:02 pm Post subject:

In legal terms for what you alter, it really depends on how you code things and how you are altering the target. Something simple as memory poking will hold no ground in court, but altering the binary (or other parts of the games data/files) can. It's touchy on what a judge will rule in favor of between those two as well.

For example, look at the WoWGlider case. Read through all the publication of that as well as all the released court documents and see how things worked out against them based on how their program worked.

In most cases, the only thing they will do is send you a DMCA notice to stop. At that point it's up to you on what you want to do. You can either stop and accept their request, or you could seek legal advice from a lawyer and see if the notice holds any ground. Granted, in your defense, you will probably spend more then you make from your applications trying to defend yourself.