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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: [HTML] Starting Out Reply with quote

Well, I have some free time and want to take a break from hacking and C++. I decided to start learning HTML, because school is starting and I'm taking web design next year. I have a few questions.

1. What's the difference between HTML and PHP? Which one has more functionality?
2. What program besides notepad should I write my website in? Is Microsoft Expression Web good?
3. Compared to C++, is HTML complicated?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTML is more simple imho

HTML/php= my starting languages
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PHP is simple. Some people build with pages with pure php. Some with a cross of html/php. PHP can be embedded directly into HTML code. Which just making things easier. PHP is actually very closely related to C.

A good place to start learning is [u=http://www.w3schools.com/php/default.asp]here[/u]

If you have any questions, PM me or add me on msn.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, most people don't make pure php websites. You echo out html statements in php.

It isn't very hard, most people can learn it proficiently within a week or two

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect. School starts in 5 days, so I think I can do it. I'm learning HTML because that's what our school teaches. I can't believe how easy it is... No need to memorize operators and stuff. All you do is "<element>".
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HTML is one of the easiest language u can find
here the site I used: http://tizag.com

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pure HTML is lame, just a static page.
I suggest you to learn both.
In HTML there is nothing much to learn, just some tags.
If you want to go into website programming I suggest you to learn both. It's easy and really cool.
Check out some php tutorials Wink.

PS: PHP + Template Engine = Win.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

html is ... clientside coding
php is serverside/clientside coding

hard to explain but html can only do cool things with javascript combo.. but alone its just a big notepad.. with different fonts and colors and tables

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkedpker wrote:
html is ... clientside coding
php is serverside/clientside coding

hard to explain but html can only do cool things with javascript combo.. but alone its just a big notepad.. with different fonts and colors and tables


HTML can do a lot without javascript if you know how to do it. But obviously you don't. But javascript does help out with a lot of things. But your statement is completely wrong.

And blankrider. Thats what i meant. Echoing HTML statements using echo. Still using php :p

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not interested in making databases and stuff. Most of my sites are going to be for show, like displaying information in an attractive way. I'll start with HTML and if I need additional functionality, I'll switch to PHP.

Also, are there any grammar "standards" for HTML? For example, indenting and stuff. Should tags be all uppercase or all uppercase?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also learn about XHTML & CSS. Then, later, if you have time, read about PHP. Myself, I like this HTML editor: http://www.chami.com/html-kit/

rapion124 wrote:
Also, are there any grammar "standards" for HTML? For example, indenting and stuff. Should tags be all uppercase or all uppercase?
http://www.w3schools.com/Xhtml/xhtml_dtd.asp
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd
w3 has the other (HTML4, etc..) standards too.

Also great sites:
http://validator.w3.org/
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/

And the last thing: stay away from Javascript unless you _really really_ need it. It's freaking annoying. No-Script<3

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HTML can do a lot without javascript if you know how to do it. But obviously you don't.
That's true. For example, many ppl use JS to create those dropdown menus.. Why to use JS, when you can do it all by using HTML+CSS?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I prefer Notepad++ as editor.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

u dont have to learn html anymore. lol

Dreamweaver took the learning away from all web designers.. it generates html.. from a bunch of clicks.. and highlights of words to bold em change fonts etc.. buttons to add images lol.. everything.. whats the point now..

soon programming will turn like that ... rofl naw.. never will..its already basic as it could be.. well... yah.. a SPEECH to TEXT might change programming in the future.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pked, not one decent web page was ever made in dreamweaver. Ever.

For editors, TextPad owns.

About a bunch of misinformation posted above: PHP is never clientside, and you cannot write a webpage in "pure php". PHP is only understood by the server, it generates HTML to send to the client's browser.

Also, Jani, correct me if I'm wrong, but to do dropdown menus you still need to use onclicks and onmouseovers and such, and those are javascript.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nog_lorp wrote:
Also, Jani, correct me if I'm wrong, but to do dropdown menus you still need to use onclicks and onmouseovers and such, and those are javascript.
No need. Google for CSS drop down menu and you'll get examples. There's a thing called "hover" in CSS :)
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