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.sephiroth. Master Cheater Reputation: -1
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: disproof, big bang |
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xj0njrx Master Cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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space is something, it cant be nothing... nothing can be nothing... so if there was nothing where did the explosion come from?..
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redslothx Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 13
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Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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technically, its impossible to have nothing.
because by having nothing, you do have something, you have nothing.
therefore, the universe was forced to exist out of nothingness
try imagining a universe with nothing.
you'd probly think some blank thing, well that thing is something.
therefore, nothing = something.
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Missi0n Grandmaster Cheater Reputation: 3
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Dr Evil is right.
energy can be stored in the smallest amount of space.
black holes are supposed to be "the absence of energy"
There clearly was something. it's probably related to the was an atomic bomb works, splitting atoms.
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Makaveli Expert Cheater Reputation: 0
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: |
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So where did this 'something' come from?
I don't liek when people accept the fact that 'it was just there'
Doesn't make sense, it HAD to come from somewhere.. but where ?
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Bannedjsin95 Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 0
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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face it.
it is too much for us to comprehend
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Monkeys I post too much Reputation: 29
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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missi0n wrote: | black holes are supposed to be "the absence of energy"
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I think you're wrong Aren't they the absence of space?
But with lots of energy?
Because to my knowing, black holes were such compact masses(=energy) that it has unbelievably high gravity ( allowing it to gravitate even the fotons(=light))
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Aviar³ Grandmaster Cheater Reputation: 50
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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The serious fact is that the absence of something allowed the universe to come into existence. Think about a rocket, if I launched it on earth under the effect of gravity and a multitude of other factors, it would go far. Now think about me launching it where there is "nothing", no gravity, nothing. It would go much farther with less energy.With the lack of quantum mechanics, physics and laws of the universe, anything could happen within that brief limbo between something and nothing. We cant comprehend it because in order to you would have to understand nothing and something, and you would have to imagine a state of existence where there are no laws, and the impossible can happen. Thing would contradict themselves in that state(thus leading to an infinite amount of paradoxes). In short, nothing made it easier for the big bang to happen, in fact it could have happened with the minutest of energy.
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Aviar wrote: | The serious fact is that the absence of something allowed the universe to come into existence. Think about a rocket, if I launched it on earth under the effect of gravity and a multitude of other factors, it would go far. Now think about me launching it where there is "nothing", no gravity, nothing. It would go much farther with less energy.The lack of quantum mechanics, physics and laws of the universe, anything could happen within that brief limbo between something and nothing. We cant comprehend it because in order to you would have to understand nothing and something, and you would have to imagine a state of existence where there are no laws, and the impossible can happen. Thing would contradict themselves in that state(thus leading to an infinite amount of paradoxes). In short, nothing made it easier for the big bang to happen, in fact it could have happened with the minutest of energy. |
I have never seen anyone explain it better.
Good job
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redslothx Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 13
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Aviar wrote: | The serious fact is that the absence of something allowed the universe to come into existence. Think about a rocket, if I launched it on earth under the effect of gravity and a multitude of other factors, it would go far. Now think about me launching it where there is "nothing", no gravity, nothing. It would go much farther with less energy.The lack of quantum mechanics, physics and laws of the universe, anything could happen within that brief limbo between something and nothing. We cant comprehend it because in order to you would have to understand nothing and something, and you would have to imagine a state of existence where there are no laws, and the impossible can happen. Thing would contradict themselves in that state(thus leading to an infinite amount of paradoxes). In short, nothing made it easier for the big bang to happen, in fact it could have happened with the minutest of energy. |
how is a rocket related to any of that?
gravity would slow down the rocket
no gravity would let the rocket keep moving forever untill something stops it.
its not a random thing o___o
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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He's saying that the effect of every something is heightened in the presence of nothing.
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redslothx Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 13
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Super Chicken! wrote: | He's saying that the effect of every something is heightened in the presence of nothing. |
well, thats false or invalid then.
reason:
fire needs oxygen to be kept alive.
remove oxygen and you have nothing.
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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He's not talking about the fire. He's talking about the FORCE behind it.
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Aviar³ Grandmaster Cheater Reputation: 50
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Dr Evil wrote: |
how is a rocket related to any of that?
gravity would slow down the rocket
no gravity would let the rocket keep moving forever untill something stops it.
its not a random thing o___o |
The rocket only serves as an example to illustrate a point. And the very fact that the action was completely random in nature is what prohibits humanity from understanding the event.
P.S. I said gravity slows down the rocket and that no gravity would allow it to travel farther with less force -.-
Dr Evil wrote: | Super Chicken! wrote: | He's saying that the effect of every something is heightened in the presence of nothing. |
well, thats false or invalid then.
reason:
fire needs oxygen to be kept alive.
remove oxygen and you have nothing. |
Fire existed during and after the big bang not before, so it played no role in the event and is a horrible example. You are a black and white thinker, for you ever cause must have its effect and in turn every cause must have a rational trigger. The big bang theory isnt for rational black and white thinkers.
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redslothx Grandmaster Cheater Supreme Reputation: 13
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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gosh, was using fire as an example for cryomas statement
which is that if you have something, and you take something away from it, it will become better... (this is what i got from his reply)
which is obviously false, cuz you can take away soemthing from something else and make it completely useless.
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the rocket thing isnt random, we know why and how much energy a rocket needs to get from point A to point B.
if you shoot a rocket into space, gravity will slow it down.
if there was no gravity, it woul simply just keep on going untill something else interferes with it...
still dont see what is so random about that o_o
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