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HackOtaku
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| Strange, because you did proselytize, did wall of text post, and did post your Facebook images of Islam, so I was right on all accounts. Oh, and here you are trying to start a fight. Crazy how I knew you would behave this way. Why would anyone want to try to discuss theology with a person like that?
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Strange, because you did proselytize, did wall of text post, and did post your Facebook images of Islam, so I was right on all accounts. Oh, and here you are trying to start a fight. Crazy how I knew you would behave this way. Why would anyone want to try to discuss theology with a person like that? |
did you just refuse to respond to what i said, because you know how right i am?
all right.
tell me, if I am on a clear path from my Lord and He has provided me with a good provision from Himself, should I still leave you unguided?
pure hypocrisy, indeed. thank you for proving everything i just posted.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| If I have stated I am not interested (I have), then yes, you should leave me "unguided". Seems like pretty basic manners.
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | If I have stated I am not interested (I have), then yes, you should leave me "unguided". Seems like pretty basic manners. |
i've done so.
nothing is stopping you from leaving unread & no response,
but you can't help yourself as you are a slave to your whims and contempt.
never could you give any demonstration or evidence against islam, or for your delusional polytheism and the conjecture you follow.
there is no 'comfort' or 'holy spirit' comforting you, just satan.
i'm free to compile proofs and substantiation against you and the lies you have propagated;
just as you are freely left unguided and unforced to read/skim/respond.
no matter how much you are averse to Islamic Monotheism,
God has written that He and His Messenger ﷺ will prevail,
and that falsehood [such as yours] will be confounded by the truth.
Jesus said:
"And verily God is my Lord and your Lord.
So worship Him (Alone).
That is the Straight Path. (God's Religion which He did ordain for all of His Prophets)."
if you weren't interested, then you wouldn't be talking.
what lies, you brood of vipers. how can you who are evil speak anything good or true?
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HackOtaku
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| Lmfao, sure thing, God beget Jesus through a virgin birth who then performed miracles, absolutely did claim to be God (before Abraham was, I am), demonstrated God's loving character, and said "It is finished " before he died, fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament, but really God's plan was for 600 years later to send a messenger to clarify everything, makes perfect sense.
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finnegan waking up
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Lmfao, sure thing, God beget Jesus through a virgin birth who then performed miracles, absolutely did claim to be God (before Abraham was, I am), demonstrated God's loving character, and said "It is finished " before he died, fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament, but really God's plan was for 600 years later to send a messenger to clarify everything, makes perfect sense.[/list] |
your falsehood was demonstrated prior. God sent His Prophet ﷺ with miracles and evidences, to reproof you on your belief in these things; just as Jesus promised to you.
you gave no response, except to switch the topic around until you could just repeat your proselytizing. and distract from your lack of response
i am unsurprised by your hypocrisy now 
>absolutely did claim to be God (before Abraham was, I am)
as i just said, this was disproved. you claim he was quoting exodus (ego eimi ho on) but he says (ego eimi). it is a claim you can only understand implicitly, and there is no good evidence to make such an implicit reading.
you literally ignored everything i said that disproved this. you had no response, and you still don't. the context and the verse itself disproves you;
Jesus is saying "I have [seen Abraham]".
youtu.be/1zB5lBvBWA0
forum.cheatengine.org/viewtopic.php?p=5753543
it wasn't even hard to find my prior refutations of this. a claim to being God is not up to dispute, nor is it an implication that can only be understood by people 300+ years later -- like you are claiming for Jesus here.
>demonstrated God's loving character, and said "It is finished " before he died,
prove any of this. you can't. you only assume and follow pharisees who told you to believe these lies that developed over 300 years after Jesus, and anonymous documents that developed over 300 years after Jesus.
you are quoting John 19, but you don't even know your scripture;
Jesus says in John 17, before any alleged death is "finished" (and isn't the resurrection necessary? so how is anything finished hmm? especially when the trinity took hundreds of years to develop, along with the scripture you believe is from God today)
(John 17:1-4)
After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:
“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do.
so Jesus clarifies that God is who sent Jesus, not that Jesus is God. and Jesus clarifies, before the crucifiction ever occurred, that he has finished all of the work he was sent to do.
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>God beget Jesus
God doesn't beget, and you were given numerous evidences in the scripture and logical proofs against this. begetting is an animal act, how disgusting of a lie.
the scripture says "God's chosen servant/son", not "beget" in such a way. you have very severely distorted things to support polytheism instead of understanding the scriptural foundation the claims hinge upon.
>fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament
this is a straight up lie that has been disproven. i know you are taught to believe it blindly, but it is a lie.
that is why you won't prove it at all, and have no proof -- only lies that have already been brought, and demonstrated, and testified to by your scholars.
did you really not check the links that disprove this? no, apparently not, and you will never prove this falsehood!
| greatsage wrote: | | HackOtaku wrote: | | Jesus was crucified. Atheists(except those fools that deny Jesus ever existed at all), agnostics, jews, historians, everyone admits this to be a historical fact except muslims. I'm not in the business of denying history, and it's such a reach to say he "made it appear like he was crucified, but he wasn't really". Provide a satisfactory answer as to why is it that this huge event in history should be taken as being false other than "that's what muhammad/the quran said". |
produce your proof if you are truthful.
why can't God confirm that Jesus wasn't crucified?
[the Holy Quran, chapter 4, verse 157]
And [for] their saying,
"Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God."
And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him,
but it appeared so unto them;
And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it.
They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption.
And they did not kill him, for certain.
you only love God if you think he is a man that dies naked and humiliated for you?
God is more merciful, more loving, more just, than you make Him out to be.
if you would like me to give you more substantiation, then -- unlike some, i have no problem doing so.
do explain why God can't reveal that Jesus didn't die , what evidence or proof could you bring?
it seems substantiating the trinity is less important than substantiating that Jesus was crucified?
you are not in the business of denying history, but what gives you the right to deny God?
what gives so many ex-christians scholars, and now muslim scholars, the right to follow God's reproof for the world of sin, of righteousness, of judgment?
| Quote: | | Atheists(except those fools that deny Jesus ever existed at all), agnostics, jews, historians, everyone admits this to be a historical fact |
The Early Christians Who Believed Jesus Was Saved From Crucifixion
https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2017/06/30/the-early-christians-who-believed-jesus-was-saved-from-crucifixion/
Crucifixion or Crucifiction: What Did 1st Century Christians Believe?
https://discover-the-truth.com/2016/12/16/crucifixion-or-crucifiction-what-did-1st-century-christians-believe/
Is the Crucifixion of Jesus Really Foretold in the Old Testament?
https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2016/07/10/is-the-crucifixion-of-jesus-really-foretold-in-the-old-testament/
Conflicting Accounts of Crucifixion in the Bible
https://www.islamforchristians.com/conflicting-accounts-crucifixion-bible/
Which is More Historically Reliable, the Qur’an or Bible?
https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2015/07/01/which-is-more-historically-reliable-the-quran-or-bible/
Why the Crucifixion Compromises God’s Love, Justice and Mercy
https://www.manyprophetsonemessage.com/2016/08/10/why-the-crucifixion-compromises-gods-love-justice-and-mercy/
Difficulties, Contradictions and Problems in the Crucifixion tale
http://muslim-responses.com/Cross_Critique/Cross_Critique_/
| Quote: | The crucifixion of Jesus is a tale that is indeed fascinating and quite fitting for a bedtime story and can be safely placed in the fiction section in any library or bookstore. We are satisfied with concluding that the cumulative 9 contentions proposed in this critique soundly and sufficiently disprove the tale of Jesus' crucifixion as historical fact and it should instead be called the CRUCIFICTION.
We submit that the Qur'an is absolutely right when it says,
Those who argue about him are in doubt about it.
They have no real knowledge of it,
just conjecture.
But they certainly did not kill him |
O Christ-worshipers! We want an answer to our question [from your wise ones],
If the Lord was murdered by some people’s act, what kind of god is this?
We wonder! Was He pleased by what they did to Him?
If yes, blessed be they, they achieved His pleasure,
But if He was discontented, this means their power had subjugated Him!
Was the whole entity left without a Sustainer, so who answered the prayers?
Were the heavens vacated, when He laid under the ground somewhere?
Were all the worlds left without a God, to manage while His hands were nailed?
Why did not the angels help Him, when they heard him while he wailed?
How could the rods stand to bear the True Lord when He was fastened,
How could the irons reached Him and [had] His body pinned?
How could His enemies’ hands reach Him and slap His rear,
And was Christ revived by himself, or was the Reviver another god?
What a sight it was, a grave that enclosed a god,
Stranger still is the belly that confined Him!
He stayed there for nine months in utter darkness, fed by blood!
Then he got out of the womb as a small baby,
Weak and gasping to be breast-fed!
He ate and drank, and did what that naturally resulted,
Is this [what you call] a god?
High Exalted be God above the lies of Christians,
All of them will be held accountable for their libels!
O Cross-worshipers! For what reason is this exalted
and blame [is cast upon those] who reject it?
Is it not logical to break and burn it, along with the one who innovated it?
Since the Lord was crucified on it, and his hands were fastened to it?
That is really a cursed cross to carry,
So discard it, do not kiss it!
The Lord was abused on it, and you adore it?
So [it is clear that] you are one of His enemies!
If you extol it because it carried the Lord of the Worlds,
Why don’t you prostrate yourself and worship graves,
Since the grave contained your god in it?
So Christ-worshiper, open your eyes,
This is what the matter is all about.
i swear by God, were you to investigate the Qur'an,
and the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, from authentic sources--
read it, and these links,
and trust God to guide you to His religion
and the truth of Islam --
then you could only accept the truth
or turn from it while you know it.
but someone who does not trust God,
and is merely a fanatic in their belief,
would see this information and the promise of truth as folly.
the choice is yours. |
>but really God's plan was for 600 years later to send a messenger to clarify everything, makes perfect sense.
lol do you REALLY NOT KNOW YOUR OWN BIBLE THIS BADLY?
(Matthew 20:1-16)
“For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard.
He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
“About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.
He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’
So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing.
About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
“‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
“When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
“The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.
So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.
When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
“But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?
Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.
Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
“So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
worse is that you are so unaware of the consequences of your own theological assertions.
Muhammad ﷺ taught what is completely in line with all of the Prophets of God -- but what you claim is that God hid the truth of the trinity for over 1300 years before Jesus; teaching God is One and punishing severely whoever left that teaching.
JUST for God to send Jesus, who didn't teach the trinity, or for his disciples not to teach the trinity, but for some guy named Paul to come along about 14 years after Jesus left, and say they were mistaken all along about God's Law--- and STILL for another 300 or so years, your trinity God failed to be understood, and still relies on a lack of understanding as a core tenet for its belief to operate.
what a joke. you don't understand your scripture at all, and yet you want to quote it. you want to berate me for proselytising, when really you are just upset that you can't proselytise against the truth with your falsehood, no matter how confident you are.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| And again, sure thing, lmao.
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | And again, sure thing, lmao. |
arrogance, contempt & profanity are your only proofs. nice example.
may God guide you. aameen.
peace be with you.
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Me": "I'm not here for debate"
You: "OH YEAH? DEBATE ME, DEABTE ISLAM, DISPROVE THIS, PROVE THAT. NOT WILLING TO DO IT? HAHA I GOT YOU, CHECKMATE"
Me:" lol ok"
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | Me": "I'm not here for debate"
You: "OH YEAH? DEBATE ME, DEABTE ISLAM, DISPROVE THIS, PROVE THAT. NOT WILLING TO DO IT? HAHA I GOT YOU, CHECKMATE"
Me: lol ok |
it's really sad when you can't converse with someone like an adult. you apparently can only see discourse as threatening.
i answered your questions with sincerity. you can only give mockery, and can't stand on your scripture.
weren't you "not interested"?
what a great example to give mockery as proof for your guidance upon the truth. indeed, you go against your principles & word, again and again.
thank u for proving the Qur'an again on ur behaviour. much appreciate
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HackOtaku
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| Oh yeah, you got me, I'm clearly super interested in the quran and other heresies.
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finnegan waking up
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Oh yeah, you got me, I'm clearly super interested in the quran and other heresies. |
imagine being this triggered and upset at your neighbor because they worship God alone
what r u interested in & how is it christian? r u just here by the grace of God to increase my certainty by showing how well He describes you in His Qur'an?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Lol, I don't care what you worship , that's God's business, I just think it's false, but it's not my business. God will judge you fairly.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Lol, I don't care what you worship , that's God's business, I just think it's false, but it's not my business. God will judge you fairly. |
how is it false? because you hate it? all right... you have literally only been established as ignorant of the proofs and teachings, so the only explanation is from your own merit/arrogance
why do u begin everything with "lol" etc? is this the copeium od again? why cant u face sincerity with sincerity? why not be a man in conversation about God
why r u such an unfair judge if u believe in being judged fairly then?
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| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| Because it's funny to me just how bad you're raging and how hyperbolic you are about everything.
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