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bULWARK · How do I cheat? Reputation: 0 Joined: 22 Jun 2007 Posts: 2

uzeil i'd like to learn a lil more about dUP() if it isnt a bother...

Uzeil · Moderator Reputation: 6 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 2411

dUP(param) means duplicate/fill with <param>. A declaration example would be

sportskid300 · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:15 am Post subject:

Uzeil, how would you have me teach them?
I could easily include casemap and model type.
I also stated that a great source of learning can be found in the Tutorial and example directories.

Uzeil · Moderator Reputation: 6 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 2411

Those tutorials are based on HLA, teaching you how to abuse masm's HLA macros.

I would teach it as assembly. None of the .if , chr$, all that crap. I'd teach it as plain assembly, and the highest HLA I would reach would be 'include' and POSSIBLY 'invoke' if the script was going to be gigantic without it.

Benlue: You still could've kept what I didn't shoot down Razz

appalsap · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:58 pm Post subject:

.if is built into masm, chr$ is part of hutch's macro collection, big difference. Both aren't HLA.

You have to remember they're macros. They aren't like using a high level language like C, they just use the preprocessor for a predefined set of actions, kind of like #define in C. (of course masm's macro system is much more robust and not teaching that would be a disservice to the viewers)

As for not using them, I don't know. You aren't teaching them asm, you're teaching them MASM32. I don't agree with Uzeil's saying they aren't plain assembly, because they are. They're just macros. If you want to see what chr$ means you can open macros.asm and see what you're actually writing there. Or you could have ml spit out the source file after preprocessing.

Uzeil · Moderator Reputation: 6 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 2411

"I don't agree with Uzeil's saying they aren't plain assembly, because they are. They're just macros." If you're saying that macros are plain assembly, I disagree. Macros aren't the actual assembly, and are made to make certain things easier or to look different than the assembly you would see when say opening your application with a disassembly such as Olly. Hell, making things simpler/easier than their compiled/linked counterpart is what high level languages exist for outside of portability.

"You aren't teaching them asm, you're teaching them MASM32." Precisely. If this tutorial was titled that it teaches basic masm32 macros/HLA keywords, then it wouldn't have been lacking much at all other than some skeleton explanations. But it says assembly tutorial in the title and throughout the thread.

appalsap · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject:

main.c

Uzeil · Moderator Reputation: 6 Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 2411

wait wait aren't we in assembly here, not C?

And no, it isn't real C without the #define's. If you were to teach us that INIT_PROGRAM HELL_SAY EXIT_PROGRAM would make a hello world app, then it wouldn't be true unless you also gave them that extra coding, which is also going to mean it only will work if that person has that code (in this case in "macros.h" .)

sportskid300 · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:26 pm Post subject:

I think, Uzeil, that you should make an Assembly tutorial.
I realize that I fail horribly, and, as such, would rather promote you.
Appal, make a Coding tut in general. Rolling Eyes

Maybe Uzeil too.
You guys are too good and hold too much info. to not share.
I'll change the title.

ZenX · Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject:

Nice job Well done.
Hey, Uhm,Is This a Correct Script?

malfunction · Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 3:55 am Post subject:

Uzeil and Appal u both should start making tuts ^^

sportskid386 · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject:

bump to my own post on an inactive account.
yes