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People say the sky/above it is the heavens because they were tricked into thinking that the heavens were above the sky and that God resided there. I didn't cherrypick anything. I went to Google and typed in "define:" before the words mentioned. You looking on specific websites that cater to your definition without actually noting that certain ones are LITERARY and not the religious meaning is the only cherrypicking going on here.

They're not out of context. Some of it is as clear as day. I've read all of the Bible and parts of the Quran and no matter how many times a dumbass like you tells me "oh no this violence right here isn't actually violent you're taking it out of context" I won't believe you.

You have literally just been completely brainwashed to believe mindless drivel and even believe that because this MANMADE THING says that it supports science and progress that it actually does. It does not do the things you have said. It does not accurately describe the way a baby develops (it actually gets it wrong) and all of the things you tell me it does describe and could not have known without divine knowledge it predicts in EXTREMELY primitive wording which can be interpreted differently. That's the core issue.

If God is apparently the author of all of these ideals and the creation of all of us why the fuck would he use such a roundabout and vague way to let only a portion of humanity know that he exists and is our creator? You fully ignore blatant untruths and mistakes because it's apparently divine and then you still cite the bits where it may be vaguely correct if you interpret it the way you personally want to.

Which is it? Is it the one thing you need as a human that tells you how to live, how you were made and what happens later or do you choose to follow some parts and not others because of personal choices? Get a fucking grip you brainwashed cretin.

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^more irrelevant fallacious crap. ty for your wall of text i didn't read because you started off saying, in other words, "disclaimer: i have no idea what i'm talking about".

heaven =/= jannah.

also gj swallowing scientism's load, can't get enough of it can ya

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I just googled Jannah vs Heaven and found this immediately. I haven't read it all but it seems interesting from the proposition it makes at the start.

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/thompson/paradise.html

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Care to tell me how I'm horribly mistaken or are you going to be a hypocrite in that regard too? All you've done is say I'm wrong with no information given and attack me.

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Thanks, I won't read an entire page of shit unless you are going to tell me the specific part you're trying to get me to read. Like you say it'd be a waste of my time when I know for a fact that the shit you say is mindless drivel that is taken from a manmade book. I don't know for a fact that God doesn't exist, but I do know with extreme certainty that the Quran is manmade just like every other book that people believe every word of in a religious context. You said that you don't know and that's the point of faith, but you cite things trying to argue your point logically as if it isn't about faith too. It's odd.

Do you have a response to the thing I linked?

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I can't see arguments based on faith alone as strong ones. The point of faith is that you don't know and therefore you have these axioms in which you hold to be true and live by it.

It's not a bad way to live if the axioms provide you with some sense of happiness or wholeness... whatever it may be; it should provide you something of value. (We are judging axioms completely based on what the self values and not what the community values)

Axioms are the root of the problem when people argue science versus faith. Yes, science has axioms too; but some of them are based off of not just faith but also reason and supported by evidence.

I'm not saying that just because there's evidence that it's now a fact of the world; I am saying that with evidence, it stands on higher ground than theories without any evidence.

Now, we should probably agree to disagree what constitutes evidence... I'm not going to argue against the unexplained (miracles and whatnot). That'd be a pointless argument.

I, for one, believe in logic. If you can prove to me and show me without a doubt and be able to repeat it, that a Female Goddess clapped her hand and caused like a giant flying spaghetti monster to poop out a planet with living things... well damn... I guess I'm a follower of that religion.

Even though I may not not know exactly how the fuck that happened, and science may not be able to completely explain the event, well fuck it's there and I can't ignore truth.

For now, science is the more logical and more evidence abundant of the two sides. Those who argue for science have a lot more backing them. If a creationist wants to make his/her side more appealing, then instead of arguing their side, they should find more "proof" that a god exists... The Bible is not proof the same was as a textbook for introductory biology is not proof. The proof is the experiments that can be repeated that yield the same results.

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are you rly arguing that religion trumps science?

literally fuck off

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