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Osama Bin Laden is dead?
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My take on it, the US got him in the raid, didn't kill him put out the fake story about killing him. The goal was to take him alive. Last time I checked war ships don't have DNA labs on board. So a Seal team went to assassinate him got him took a DNA sample to the ship and had it tested to prove they got him. The time frame is all off, though we are only dealing with what we are told. The President came out and declared we have him, so he is either truely dead or we have him in custody. My guess is the former, why? If he is declared dead officially by the state he can be held with no trial, he has no rights, we are not bound by Geneva Convention regarding proper treatment, and the biggest reason he is a more valuable asset alive.

No I'm not one of those people that shout conspiracy at every turn either. I just don't believe a word my Government tells me.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm optimistic, but skeptical. It doesn't matter if they release pictures, even I could make a body look like bin laden. And I am by far, not a professional photomanipulator.

In fact. . . how popular do you think a photo of the guy dead would get? And do you think I'd get in trouble for posting a fake?

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:37 am    Post subject: This post has 2 review(s) Reply with quote

AhMunRa wrote:
My take on it, the US got him in the raid, didn't kill him put out the fake story about killing him. The goal was to take him alive. Last time I checked war ships don't have DNA labs on board. So a Seal team went to assassinate him got him took a DNA sample to the ship and had it tested to prove they got him. The time frame is all off, though we are only dealing with what we are told. The President came out and declared we have him, so he is either truely dead or we have him in custody. My guess is the former, why? If he is declared dead officially by the state he can be held with no trial, he has no rights, we are not bound by Geneva Convention regarding proper treatment, and the biggest reason he is a more valuable asset alive.

No I'm not one of those people that shout conspiracy at every turn either. I just don't believe a word my Government tells me.


Or he was really eaten by spiders and now they cannot show the body to the public but they still want to claim that they have killed it.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike Scott wrote:
I'm optimistic, but skeptical. It doesn't matter if they release pictures, even I could make a body look like bin laden. And I am by far, not a professional photomanipulator.

In fact. . . how popular do you think a photo of the guy dead would get? And do you think I'd get in trouble for posting a fake?

Duh, timestamps.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Rick roll is so fucking old... like really? Bit juvenile.

Anyway, it is suspicious that they buried his body so fast. But what even more suspicious is the lack of any pictures... anywhere. Without even a flake of evidence, it's a bit hard to believe, even if you want you.


erm, there's nothing suspicious about islamic tradition which declares 24 hours. they cleaned up him up, wrapped him in a white sheet, and slid him into the ocean.

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My take on it, the US got him in the raid, didn't kill him put out the fake story about killing him. The goal was to take him alive. Last time I checked war ships don't have DNA labs on board. So a Seal team went to assassinate him got him took a DNA sample to the ship and had it tested to prove they got him. The time frame is all off, though we are only dealing with what we are told. The President came out and declared we have him, so he is either truely dead or we have him in custody. My guess is the former, why? If he is declared dead officially by the state he can be held with no trial, he has no rights, we are not bound by Geneva Convention regarding proper treatment, and the biggest reason he is a more valuable asset alive.

No I'm not one of those people that shout conspiracy at every turn either. I just don't believe a word my Government tells me.


they went in looking to kill, he got shot in the face in a firefight and other things happened. the trial thing is laughable. they had the whole body of a dead guy, there was plenty of DNA to harvest.

they probably not only had the team ready to shoot him in the face but also another team waiting for DNA and they had good enough proof within hours.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe what the Government says, it's not like they've lied to us before right?

Either way there is no proof other than hear say. Even if they had the DNA best they could do is a fraternal match, which could still be someone other than Osama.

You can damn well be there is video of the event too. No doubt there were cams of some type on the team that went in. Something like that you know higher ups would want to witness.

The whole thing just doesn't sit right. So we wait till the next Al Qaeda leader rises.

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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Found his house on google earth. Only structure in the city that fits the description, so I'm guessing this is it:
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=34.197836,73.222965&num=1&t=h&sll=34.146667,73.216389&sspn=0.073891,0.128059&ie=UTF8&ll=34.197215,73.225057&spn=0.006993,0.013872&z=17

You know what I don't get, why does he have this gigantic mansion? I mean, isn't he trying to cover himself up and just look like an regular urban, because of the USA looking for him? If so, why would he have a big mansion that stands out?
No, are you stupid? No one knew he was there. They would never have found him if not for getting a tip from a Guantanamo Bay detainee. It truly is the last place you would think to look for him. It's a decently populated city 31 miles from Islamabad (the capital of Pakistan), down the block from the Pakistani equivalent of West Point Academy. It had super high walls and no internet/phone lines. No one knew who lived in there at all, and they probably never would have if not for some guy who got the information beaten out of him.
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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
AhMunRa wrote:
My take on it, the US got him in the raid, didn't kill him put out the fake story about killing him. The goal was to take him alive. Last time I checked war ships don't have DNA labs on board. So a Seal team went to assassinate him got him took a DNA sample to the ship and had it tested to prove they got him. The time frame is all off, though we are only dealing with what we are told. The President came out and declared we have him, so he is either truely dead or we have him in custody. My guess is the former, why? If he is declared dead officially by the state he can be held with no trial, he has no rights, we are not bound by Geneva Convention regarding proper treatment, and the biggest reason he is a more valuable asset alive.

No I'm not one of those people that shout conspiracy at every turn either. I just don't believe a word my Government tells me.


Or he was really eaten by spiders and now they cannot show the body to the public but they still want to claim that they have killed it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great... they killed someone who claimed he was the leader of Al-Qaeda.
For all we know, he's just a cover, there could be some other leader of Al-Qaeda and surely if he is the leader he probably set someone to take his place. They just made this way harder.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

person with a high concentration of pigment in his skinfaggot wrote:
Great... they killed someone who claimed he was the leader of Al-Qaeda.
For all we know, he's just a cover, there could be some other leader of Al-Qaeda and surely if he is the leader he probably set someone to take his place. They just made this way harder.

Many possible conspiracies theories pointed out here. something to think about...

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al-Qaeda confirmed the death and unsurprisingly said the obvious thing right after that everyone knew they would
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do we know that they are not just a bunch of people who were hired by the government to play the bad guys?

Theory 1:
9/11 was made by some terrorists who are able to collapse towers in about 12 seconds (free fall) from top to bottom and also crash planes into the ground without any trace as we know that a plane has just disappeared like it never existed. Physics say, theory 1 is bullshit. Even the Bible makes more sense and is more scientific than this theory.

Theory 2:
Government has hired some people to play the role of bad guys, killed a few thousands of people by collapsing the towers and raided the Middle-East looking for terrorist who are in fact working for them. Oh we also remember the fact that these people were trained and supported by the US before so it isn't a miracle if they happen to work for them again. Now, 10 years later, they play that the bad guy was killed by them, to gain even more popularity amongst those who believe in Theory 1.
The next step will be to hire someone else to play the new bad guy in a different country so they can wage war on that too. I sincerely hope that I will be that guy because I gladly play terrorist for billions of dollars, even if I will have to fake my death later. Hell, they can even execute me for real after 50 years, at least I will be a long remembered notorious rich criminal. The only question is which languages should I start to learn? Do I have to play an arab, russian or chinese terrorist? Which country would they bomb to dust (if they could do) next?

Theory 3-1758676 can be inserted here anytime if someone has more.

I don't like when I just have to believe in something, be it a government or God. I like to see facts and if they are unbelievable, I just won't believe them (how radical and uncommon behavior). At least the US government should have planned an accident that I believe to be commited by terrorists and they are not against the laws of physics. It's just so lame. It is their job to lie all the time and they can't even do that correctly.

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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

please come back to reality and get a clue if you honestly think any of that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, some of it is serious. How is a tower collapsing in free fall from top to bottom if it is not exploded by experts? How is a plane crashing into the Pentagon and then disappear entirely without damaging it's environment like grass etc that should have been badly burned? These terrorists have kick ass technology if they can do that. Are they evil time travellers from the future? Who can explain such wonderous miracles?
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