ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
You have absolutely no argument here. I don't know how many times people need to tell you that you cannot argue that you're not misguided or wrong for believing in the teachings of Islam by quoting the teachings if Islam.
yes, upon reading your post, i find no argument in it. lmao you idiot
also, gj with hitchens, a hack, who was considering christianity and conversion upon his death. and there is zero standing in reality for hitchens' arguments.
ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
You have absolutely no argument here. I don't know how many times people need to tell you that you cannot argue that you're not misguided or wrong for believing in the teachings of Islam by quoting the teachings if Islam.
yes, upon reading your post, i find no argument in it. lmao you idiot
also, gj with hitchens, a hack, who was considering christianity and conversion upon his death. and there is zero standing in reality for hitchens' arguments.
Is this a copout.. again?
By all means listen to what Hitch has to say in this video and tell me how he is uneducated, no less even less educated than you think you are. Out of all the people I've ever heard speak about religion in general Hitch is one of the few that had done so much research into the things he held opinions on that it's actually very impressive. Debunk what he says, go ahead. If you don't bother then I'll just assume you can't. It's all so easy to dismiss a guy on a forum though of course.
@Your edit: That is simply false. Hitchens would never have done anything of the sort and anyone that says otherwise is lying through their teeth. I also like how you linked Hamza Tzortzis who is a fucking retard like yourself.
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ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
You have absolutely no argument here. I don't know how many times people need to tell you that you cannot argue that you're not misguided or wrong for believing in the teachings of Islam by quoting the teachings if Islam.
yes, upon reading your post, i find no argument in it. lmao you idiot
also, gj with hitchens, a hack, who was considering christianity and conversion upon his death. and there is zero standing in reality for hitchens' arguments.
Is this a copout.. again?
By all means listen to what Hitch has to say in this video and tell me how he is uneducated, no less even less educated than you think you are. Out of all the people I've ever heard speak about religion in general Hitch is one of the few that had done so much research into the things he held opinions on that it's actually very impressive. Debunk what he says, go ahead. If you don't bother then I'll just assume you can't. It's all so easy to dismiss a guy on a forum though of course.
too bad there was never a cop out. lmao.
and yes, pls tell me how you expect someone almost 60 years old is more educated than a 20 year old, are you serious?
already debunked. gg kid, esp. with your inadvertent hypocrisy. all you do is dismiss me through your own closed-minded, willful-ignorance.
edit: in regards to your edit, it is true, and it goes to show how little you know that you would jump the gun in a gallivant to devour hitchens' cock.
and your comment on tzortzis was made <4 minutes after my post, and the tzortzis video is over 8 minutes. this means you automatically dismissed.
argument from source, poisoning the well, check.
lmfao, you are a child!! it is no wonder that connor supports and loves a warmongering alcoholic.
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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Wow, you are absolutely and utter 100 percent incorrect about the "egg-shaped Earth". Your attempt to write it off with "other people more educated than you agree with me" is weak. I've already shown that you're just plain wrong about the "egg-shaped" thing entirely to the point of it being a joke. Why is it that every translation of that passage says "spread out"? Stop trying to make your book fall in line with modern science. If modern science doesn't match your book, then as a muslim, deny modern science.
Also, Idgaf about Joseph or Mary, so they are irrelevant. As I've said, I understand their culture makes it okay, but I see this as neither here nor there if this man is supposed to be the model of holiness, unless you're saying pedophilia is also holy so long as everyone around you says it's cool.
Beyond him being a pedophile, how about the fact the he originally raided caravans for money? How about when he committed genocide against the Banu Qurayza, beheading all the men who had reached puberty and taking the women and children as slaves. These are not noble actions, this is not holy.
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ask yourself: with Qur'an from Allah, who is more astray, who is the most misguided, than he who denies it?
You have absolutely no argument here. I don't know how many times people need to tell you that you cannot argue that you're not misguided or wrong for believing in the teachings of Islam by quoting the teachings if Islam.
yes, upon reading your post, i find no argument in it. lmao you idiot
also, gj with hitchens, a hack, who was considering christianity and conversion upon his death. and there is zero standing in reality for hitchens' arguments.
Is this a copout.. again?
By all means listen to what Hitch has to say in this video and tell me how he is uneducated, no less even less educated than you think you are. Out of all the people I've ever heard speak about religion in general Hitch is one of the few that had done so much research into the things he held opinions on that it's actually very impressive. Debunk what he says, go ahead. If you don't bother then I'll just assume you can't. It's all so easy to dismiss a guy on a forum though of course.
too bad there was never a cop out. lmao.
and yes, pls tell me how you expect someone almost 60 years old is more educated than a 20 year old, are you serious?
already debunked. gg kid, esp. with your inadvertent hypocrisy. all you do is dismiss me through your own closed-minded, willful-ignorance.
You convince yourself that's what's happening but what is actually happening is that the reasons/"evidence" you give is not sufficient for any non-poisoned rational mind. There are too many inconsistencies and so many vague statements that don't even come close to explaining things as well as you pretend they do.
You are a brainwashed idiot just like every other person that has converted to Islam. I won't call people idiots if they're born into a family that tells them it's all true as that is not their fault, but if you convert you are undeniably a fucking idiot that has been entirely tricked into twisting things into seeming correct when they are not. Of course your response to this will be the exact same as it always is and you'll claim that we're "ignoring facts" or that we're blinded by hate or ignorance but you will once again be lying to yourself.
You are ignoring the arguments against your religion consistently and dismissing them as drivel even when they're backed up entirely by so many people repeatedly. You're doing this because you think that the Qur'An is infallible and so you get your "proof" of it all being correct from there. You're working downwards from a point, not upwards.
EDIT:
I've seen the video you posted before. I watch a lot of videos from these people and have watched a lot of debates between Hamza and other people. He has been made a fool of in many many situations. I don't support literally everything that Hitchens said or believed, but I do support what he says about religions. When you cite someone's opinion on something does that mean you believe any other opinion they have or life choice that they make? These things should not matter to you in that context.
It is not true that he considered converting. Again you're just believing what you want to believe. He did not at all in any capacity EVER want to convert or consider converting to any religion. It just didn't happen. Prove me wrong.
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
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Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:24 am Post subject:
I don't even know how Talix can go from dabbling with the concepts of Brahman and monism and hinduism which is nondualistic and dips in the spiritual side of things into a militant abrahamic religion founded by a delusional pedophile, robber, and murderer.
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^literally 100% of konr's argument was nothing but fallacious assaults and zero argument
i am dying laughing
didn't bother reading but the first sentence of justin's pathetic attempts. it's always great how his first foot so frequently happens to be a grand expression of his intentional ignorance and escape from reality.
dahaha refers to egg shaped. please learn my stem words. kthnx that one hole shows an above-below snapshot of the substance of basically every argument you've put forth:
that it is never against a case of reality
tl;dr butthurt militant atheists mad that im different in a way they love to show they know nothing of.
HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic Reputation: 81
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 228
Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 7:27 am Post subject:
I'm not even an atheist; you don't know what I believe. Glad you can just ignore your prophet's atrocities, makes it a lot easier to revere him if you disregard all the terrible things he did.
my mum dont know ur mum: Byte!
my mum dont know ur mum: Can you read arabic?
my mum dont know ur mum: I need some help
Byte: ye
my mum dont know ur mum: Can you give me a translation of something?
my mum dont know ur mum: Not a huge thing
my mum dont know ur mum: دَحَٮٰهَآ
Byte: isn't arabic or not at least on steam window
Byte: might need to paste bin it or something
my mum dont know ur mum: ok sec
Byte: coz its coming out funny even when we highlight it
Byte: lol
my mum dont know ur mum: http://pastebin.com/0xMSDpiF
Byte: ye
Byte: no such word
my mum dont know ur mum: sec i'll get the phrase
my mum dont know ur mum: it comes with
my mum dont know ur mum: http://pastebin.com/7QzGTTzF
Byte: looks like a line from the Quran but ur word is basically saying it gives life from the ground
my mum dont know ur mum: Yeah it is
Byte: ok y?
Byte: :p
my mum dont know ur mum: It's an interesting subject to me
my mum dont know ur mum: And some dude I know
my mum dont know ur mum: White guy who is a convert
Byte: oh i c
Byte: oke :p
my mum dont know ur mum: Is trying to tell me that this bit says the earth is in the shape on an egg
my mum dont know ur mum: of*
my mum dont know ur mum: But I can't find any actual evidence to suggest that
my mum dont know ur mum: So I thought I'd ask you what you would translate that to
Byte: no
Byte: it doesn't mean that
Byte: that line is basically saying
Byte: God created the ground to give life
Byte: water
Byte: and so on
This is a person that is not only Muslim from birth but can speak and read Arabic and learned it as his first language. That and the video that HackOtaku just linked seems to suggest that you who can't actually fully speak Arabic is in the wrong here.. Odd!
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my mum dont know ur mum: Byte!
my mum dont know ur mum: Can you read arabic?
my mum dont know ur mum: I need some help
Byte: ye
my mum dont know ur mum: Can you give me a translation of something?
my mum dont know ur mum: Not a huge thing
my mum dont know ur mum: دَحَٮٰهَآ
Byte: isn't arabic or not at least on steam window
Byte: might need to paste bin it or something
my mum dont know ur mum: ok sec
Byte: coz its coming out funny even when we highlight it
Byte: lol
my mum dont know ur mum: http://pastebin.com/0xMSDpiF
Byte: ye
Byte: no such word
my mum dont know ur mum: sec i'll get the phrase
my mum dont know ur mum: it comes with
my mum dont know ur mum: http://pastebin.com/7QzGTTzF
Byte: looks like a line from the Quran but ur word is basically saying it gives life from the ground
my mum dont know ur mum: Yeah it is
Byte: ok y?
Byte: :p
my mum dont know ur mum: It's an interesting subject to me
my mum dont know ur mum: And some dude I know
my mum dont know ur mum: White guy who is a convert
Byte: oh i c
Byte: oke :p
my mum dont know ur mum: Is trying to tell me that this bit says the earth is in the shape on an egg
my mum dont know ur mum: of*
my mum dont know ur mum: But I can't find any actual evidence to suggest that
my mum dont know ur mum: So I thought I'd ask you what you would translate that to
Byte: no
Byte: it doesn't mean that
Byte: that line is basically saying
Byte: God created the ground to give life
Byte: water
Byte: and so on
not qualified for tafsir. MSA is not the language Qur'an was revealed in. you are stupidly ignorant of arabic. i can find someone who is muslim and speaks fluent arabic too, and i bet you there are great odds they won't be able to understand each other at all.
as i said before, anyone who is /qualified/ to discuss this will obviously say egg-shaped. because that's what it means.
As-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh: 30 وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا And after that He Spread the Earth, ( سورة النازعات , An-Naziat, Chapter #79, Verse #30) Many who claim scientific knowledge in the Qur’an use this word: دَحَاهَا claiming that it means egg, and more so and ostrich egg, in order to claim that the Qur’an states that the Earth is told to be an oblate spheroid as science claims it to be. Is there truth to this claim? Was-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.
All praise be to Allah and may His blessings and peace be on His last messenger, Muhammad,
Firstly, before answering your particular question, it is paramount that we have some understanding of the right approach to the references to natural sciences made in the Quran, which is beyond the scope of this answer to explain in detail, however, a mention of some essential points is important for the sake of clarifying the answer to your question:
1- We must have certainty in the infallibility and miracle of the Quran and authentic Sunnah. They are the revelations of the creator, so His universal signs and revealed word will never contradict one another, but corroborate each other. Unsurprisingly, the advancement of sciences did not bring forth anything that contradicts a clear authentic text or established consensus.
2- Islam is not a religion that asks human beings to suspend the use of ‘Aql (intellect). Contrarily, a Muslim should never reject one of the following constants:
A perspicuous un-abrogated authentic revelation.
A clear confirmed consensus.
The mental axioms.
The things perceptible by the senses.
3- True scientists and thinkers understand the limitation of their knowledge. It is the narrow minded and arrogant in every generation who think that they had the perfect answers, only to be proven false by a following generation. How often does this happen in the science community!
4- The Quran is a book of guidance, not a book of science. While contradicting true science is not thinkable, the intent of the message was not to give detailed guidance to humanity about a particular field of science. Contrarily, the Prophet (blessings and peace be upon him) was quoted to have said,
“أنتم أعلم بأمر دنياكم.”
“You know better about the affairs of your world.” (Muslim from Anas)
The reference here is to himself, and not Allah. By this statement, he wanted to liberate the human intellect to exert its utmost in the pursuit of ways to establish a better life for humanity on earth. This message was well understood by the early Muslims, and did come to fruition, and here are some testimonies to this end by western historians and thinkers:
In The Columbia History of the World (First Edition pp 287) it says:
“Modern Trigonometry, as well as Algebra and Geometry are in considerable measure Arab creations.” [Muslims, Arabs and non-Arabs, wrote in Arabic]
In The Making of Humanity Robert Briffault says:
“The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist of startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to the Arabs; its own existence…Observation and experiment are the two sources of scientific knowledge… Neither Roger Bacon nor his later namesake has any title to be credited with having introduced the experimental method…Roger Bacon was no more than one of the apostles of Muslim science and method to Christian Europe.”
5- Without denying any of the other miracles, including the physical miracles of the Prophet reported by hundreds, it is important to emphasize that the greatest miracle in Islam is the whole ideological and legislative construct of the system itself that is still between our hands. Its ideological soundness and practical guidance, commanded the respect of multitudes of non-Muslim researchers and thinkers, such as the French professor at Geneva University, Edouard Montet, who said, “The dogma of the unity of God…has always been proclaimed in the Quran with grandeur, majesty, an invariable purity and with a note of pure conviction which is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam. A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and so accessible to the ordinary understanding might be expected to possess and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the consciences of men.” As for the Quran in particular, it is sufficient that those who set out to discredit it, have surrendered to its magnificence. Goethe, considered the greatest author in the German language, admitted to that. Dr. Steingass, Professor of Modern Languages at Wakefield Grammar School, Birmingham, said: “If it spoke so powerfully and convincingly to the hearts of his hearers as to weld hitherto centrifugal and antagonistic elements into one compact and well-organized body, animated by ideas far beyond those which had until now ruled the Arabian mind, then its eloquence was perfect, simply because it created a civilized nation out of savage tribes, and shot a fresh woof into the old warp of history.” From: T.P. Hughes’ DICTIONARY OF ISLAM. With regard to science particularly, Maurice Bucaille said: “The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur’an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author in the whole of Arabic literature? How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?“ THE BIBLE, THE QUR’AN AND SCIENCE
I add to this and say, how could an unlettered man lay down a complete law in all spheres of life, which is recognized by those with fairness and respect for the truth? How could the Islamic financial system be crafted by an unlettered man fourteen hundred years ago and yet be the fittest today? In fact, the Daily Vatican newspaper, ‘L’ Observatore Romano, reported that Islamic banking system may help to overcome global crisis.’
6- To make a link between a particular Quranic verse and a scientific fact, you need:
Perspicuous Text
Confirmed Scientific Fact
Clear Link
Some sympathizers and adversaries of the Quran can show themselves implications that are simply not there, or they make the relative absolute either in their interpretation of the Quran or that of science.
As for your particular question, the word دحاها (dahaha) means expanded it and paved it. This was understood by Imam Fakhr ad-Deen ar-Razi, who died in the seventh century A.H. (more than 700 years ago) to mean refer to conform with the globular structure of the earth, because an enormous ball, as he indicated, will always look flat to people on its surface with no end. Imams Ibn al-Qayyem and Ibn Taymeah (from the seventh century as well) concurred with the understanding of the globular earth in their books, at-Tibyan fi Aqsam al-Quran and al-Jawaab as-Saheeh Li-man Baddala Deena al-Maseeh, respectively. This interpretation can be also supported by the following verse:
Sahih International: He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night ….
Yusuf Ali: He created the heavens and the earth in true (proportions): He makes the Night overlap the Day, and the Day overlap the Night…
Dr. Ghali: He created the heaven and the earth with the Truth; He rolls the night over the daytime, and He rolls the daytime over the night…
[Surat Az-Zumar 39:5]
The rolling or wrapping or overlapping is the translation of the Arabic word يكور which is the verb from the root كور (kaaf – waaw – raa’) from which the word كرة (ball) is derived.
To summarize, the word دحاها (dahaha) per se has been interpreted by the righteous predecessors to mean expanded and paved, and that is what we say, as well. Nonetheless, this was understood, along with other allusions in the Quran, by our imams to mean that the earth is globular, many centuries before this was an accepted concept of the modern times.
Allah knows best.
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obviously you're an idiot for thinking that the creator doesn't know and can't say the shape of the earth. scholars used egg-shaped because of this verse and referred to it for proof of earth being a globe. and from this they started many hypotheses and gave great theories. a long time before galileo, copernicus, tycho, kepler, apollo, etc.
Holy shit you're doing it again. We're saying that the creator didn't fucking contribute to the book being created because we DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FUCKING BOOK. Where did someone say we believe that Allah is the one true God but didn't believe he knew the fucking shape of the world? Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.
Quote:
Byte: lel
Byte: that phrase u gave me does not state that period
Byte: arabic is unversal
Byte: universal
Byte: *
Byte: so
Byte: it can be modified via certain countries like
Byte: Iran
Byte: and Afghanistan
Byte: but id ignore his response
Byte: is typical auto defence aggressive syndrome
Byte: u get from the aggressive countries
Byte: like
Byte: Pakistan and other strict ones
Byte:
Put it this way. If you can quote this and say you know it better than we do and that's because you've read what some scholars said and agreed with it: How can you then say that a person that can speak and read Arabic hasn't done the same research as you and disagrees? I have asked a person and HackOtaku has shown you another that goes over it. Why is that not good enough for you?
Quote:
Byte: it means the creation of the earth life from the ground that phrase
Byte: this guys a moron all i have to do to mimic is logic is
Byte: sex - u want some?
however if i said
no i don't want sex
Byte: 2 totally different answer
Byte: lol
Byte: u can't jus take 1 word and decipher it
Byte: its a phrase
Byte: jesus
You're even being called a moron by someone that is a practising Muslim that learned Arabic as his first language. Go figure, I guess it isn't because we're ignorant militant Atheists.
Holy shit you're doing it again. We're saying that the creator didn't fucking contribute to the book being created because we DON'T BELIEVE IN THE FUCKING BOOK. Where did someone say we believe that Allah is the one true God but didn't believe he knew the fucking shape of the world? Jesus fucking Christ you're dense.
Quote:
Byte: lel
Byte: that phrase u gave me does not state that period
Byte: arabic is unversal
Byte: universal
Byte: *
Byte: so
Byte: it can be modified via certain countries like
Byte: Iran
Byte: and Afghanistan
Byte: but id ignore his response
Byte: is typical auto defence aggressive syndrome
Byte: u get from the aggressive countries
Byte: like
Byte: Pakistan and other strict ones
Byte:
Put it this way. If you can quote this and say you know it better than we do and that's because you've read what some scholars said and agreed with it: How can you then say that a person that can speak and read Arabic hasn't done the same research as you and disagrees? I have asked a person and HackOtaku has shown you another that goes over it. Why is that not good enough for you?
Quote:
Byte: it means the creation of the earth life from the ground that phrase
Byte: this guys a moron all i have to do to mimic is logic is
Byte: sex - u want some?
however if i said
no i don't want sex
Byte: 2 totally different answer
Byte: lol
Byte: u can't jus take 1 word and decipher it
Byte: its a phrase
Byte: jesus
>arabic is a universal language
let me say "i love reading a lot" in arabic...
jien inħobb naqra ħafna
oh, sorry, you live a few hundred km in that direction? i meant to say,
ana marra aħubb al-girāya
shit, you don't understand that either, bruv? i'm speaking arabic! let me just do literary
ʾanā ʾuḥibbu l-qirāʾata kaṯīran
this guy is, well, to put it kindly, you sure do demonstrate that birds of a feather...
ex. "modified in certain countries" saudi arabia has like 8 different dialects. those up there are 3 different dialects. it is literally a commonplace thing for people who fluently speak arabic to be completely incapable of having a full conversation.
>We're saying that the creator didn't fucking contribute to the book
well, that's you saying it. unfortunately, for you, the delusory, the Creator (subhanahu wa ta'ala), has sworn by the Book. and that is a much better source to consider.
it is not a question of belief. Allah is the only god, the only deserving of worship, the most merciful, the most kind. and you are stating he doesn't know the shape of the world. that shows your idiocy.
>How can you then say that a person that can speak and read Arabic hasn't done the same research as you and disagrees?
i have already explained why and given ample arguments and sources why. i am done with this subject because you've already been buried under mountains that show that the egg-shape is the obvious meaning, to millions.
>I have asked a person and HackOtaku has shown you another that goes over it. Why is that not good enough for you?
i have already answered this question, but you and justin both love to completely avoid statements of truth, good points, and then completely remove yourself from reality by reasking questions i've answered.
knowing english does not mean i am qualified to give a lecture on finnegan's wake. you are so fucking daft to think like this.
>you can't just take 1 word and decipher it
in this case you can plainly show the one word means egg-shaped.
>it's a phrase
yes, and in this case as well, the phrase shows that the earth is egg-shaped.
>well, that's you saying it. unfortunately, for you, the delusory, the Creator (subhanahu wa ta'ala), has sworn by the Book. and that is a much better source to consider.
Give me some proof. No one has any actual proof of the Creator apparently doing this. Give me the proof and I'll admit it right now. I'm not someone that doesn't want to believe, I'm someone that doesn't. The point is that we do not believe that this "source" exists. You're so blind you can't even understand the context with which we're saying what you're posting is bullshit.
>it is not a question of belief. Allah is the only god, the only deserving of worship, the most merciful, the most kind. and you are stating he doesn't know the shape of the world. that shows your idiocy.
You are either an idiot or you're being dishonest by saying that we're saying that "God" doesn't know the shape of the world. We're saying that these teachings are not influenced by a God and what is written/what was spoken was created by men who are fully capable of making mistakes. And oh boy did they make mistakes.
>i have already explained why and given ample arguments and sources why. i am done with this subject because you've already been buried under mountains that show that the egg-shape is the obvious meaning, to millions.
No you haven't. You've shown a few people saying it. We've in turn shown a few people saying how those people are incorrect or are twisting words to mean something they don't mean. The passage is not saying what you are saying and even if it were, it would NOT be clear in the slightest as you act as if it is. Isn't it odd how the general consensus in Arabic is that it does not say anything about being egg shaped and to find people saying that you have to specifically search for it. Of course some people are going to believe it and are going to look for more and more sources of people agreeing that it says that but that's because these people WANT to believe this. They want to believe that these books are perfect in every way so they'll find any opinion to do so. Not only that but they'll then argue (as you have many times) that it isn't even about opinion and that it's all known as fact which is extremely dangerous and wrong.
At least have the integrity as we do to say that you don't truly know for a fact that the things you're following are the word/teachings of God himself. Is your ego so enormous that you think you're correct in everything to the extent of zero criticisms of the actual solid proof you have? You can't prove something like this. It's not actually possible. In the same way that you cannot disprove it even and we as people that do not believe what you do understand we can't disprove it. You can't do either but you seem to think you have.
>i have already answered this question, but you and justin both love to completely avoid statements of truth, good points, and then completely remove yourself from reality by reasking questions i've answered.
knowing english does not mean i am qualified to give a lecture on finnegan's wake. you are so fucking daft to think like this.
You have not at all addressed that someone that is clearly much more well versed in Arabic than you has completely refuted what you have said. You have put your fingers in your ears and shouted as if it never happened. By all means go over the video and tell us how he's wrong and how the scholars you believe are correct. Both are people that have heavily studied Arabic and these books so why should we believe one that isn't trying to stretch meanings into something that isn't obvious over someone that is to fit their agenda? You won't do this I know, you never do. You just quote the books and quote someone literally just saying they believe what you say with ZERO evidence for any of it as usual because you don't think you need evidence. You think it's all self evident when it in fact isn't.
>in this case you can plainly show the one word means egg-shaped. yes, and in this case as well, the phrase shows that the earth is egg-shaped.
No it doesn't. You've again not proven this, you've just quoted people pulling meanings out of almost thin air and actually stretching the boundaries of how the language you're talking about works.
FYI the person I quoted is not saying that Arabic doesn't change, but when you're talking about something like the Quran you are talking in a completely different context than having a conversation with someone from a different area. Of course dialect is going to change and words will move around here and there but it isn't that he didn't actually understand the phrase now is it? He explained what it meant when reading it straight up. If you have to fucking cherrypick a meaning of a word (when alone, which it isn't) from one form of arabic while ignoring people that explain why it used that word even with that meaning to NOT mean the Earth was egg shaped you have a problem bud.
caught about a dozen errors without even getting a quarter of the way through. cbf with someone who so blatantly denies evidence when he is presented with what he asks for. grow up bud. you came into a thread that had a purpose of posting a single word. and you get so mad you type up walls of erroneous texts, based off of your willful-ignorance.
even the last paragraph, not just shows that yes, you also deliberately ignored previous information, but it insists on demyelinating qur'an of tafsir. what an extravagant illustration of your ignorance.
gg kiddo, seriously konr, grow up. way tired of you being a running joke.
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