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I didn't but thanks for telling me, documented.
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HitIer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| ControlAltDelete wrote: | | I didn't but thanks for telling me, documented. |
Lol
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TheIndianGuy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: bout to make history |
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| CleverBot wrote: | Gonna sue the hospital that held me against my will for:
* Detention without trial
* Fraud
* Breaching Mental Health Act |
ok, so you're going to have to prove a few things. let me help you out. you're going to want to do more research on all these things i'm saying.
first off, false imprisonment. this one is going to be hard to prove. basically, the hospital confined/restrained you without justification. now, the reason i say this will be hard to prove is because they are allowed to detain you if they suspect you have mental health problems (in a reasonable way for a reasonable amount of time). they'll probably win favor on this one.
next, emotional distress. you've got to prove the emotional distress you've incurred as a result of being put in the hospital. basically any extreme and outrageous act, intentionally committed, that results in severe emotional distress to another.
i'm not sure how you're going to prove fraud. you'd have to prove that the hospital was intentionally deceitful for the purpose of personal gain. that's gunna be pretty tough to prove.
don't know jack shit about the mental health act. but i'm guessing it somehow relates to the false imprisonment.
basically, i don't know if you're taking this to the county, the state, or plan to appeal (after losing to the state which you will) to the federal court. but you're wasting your time. the courts take in 1000s upon 1000s of cases. and reject the majority. yours is not important enough for them to care about to review it.
| ControlAltDelete wrote: | are you delusional and you're not actually doing any of these things?
don't be a talix/shrooms |
CEF goes through periods:
~10 years ago underage teens that all wanted to be hackers
~? years ago most grow out of this and realize computer science is boring as shit or too hard for their brains. but the desire to still seem smarter than everyone else is strong with these ones. so now, they use online arguments to prove their dominance
~5-6 years ago after years of hearing of my drug use more and more curious members begin experimenting
now. enough time has passed from using drugs that the brain damage of that drug (ab)use is starting to show itself
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cokefag
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: bout to make history |
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: |
CEF goes through periods:
~10 years ago underage teens that all wanted to be hackers
~? years ago most grow out of this and realize computer science is boring as shit or too hard for their brains. but the desire to still seem smarter than everyone else is strong with these ones. so now, they use online arguments to prove their dominance
~5-6 years ago after years of hearing of my drug use more and more curious members begin experimenting
now. enough time has passed from using drugs that the brain damage of that drug (ab)use is starting to show itself |
mfw i didnt even come here for hacks, i still dont know how i got to cef
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HitIer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: bout to make history |
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | | CleverBot wrote: | Gonna sue the hospital that held me against my will for:
* Detention without trial
* Fraud
* Breaching Mental Health Act |
ok, so you're going to have to prove a few things. let me help you out. you're going to want to do more research on all these things i'm saying.
first off, false imprisonment. this one is going to be hard to prove. basically, the hospital confined/restrained you without justification. now, the reason i say this will be hard to prove is because they are allowed to detain you if they suspect you have mental health problems (in a reasonable way for a reasonable amount of time). they'll probably win favor on this one.
next, emotional distress. you've got to prove the emotional distress you've incurred as a result of being put in the hospital. basically any extreme and outrageous act, intentionally committed, that results in severe emotional distress to another.
i'm not sure how you're going to prove fraud. you'd have to prove that the hospital was intentionally deceitful for the purpose of personal gain. that's gunna be pretty tough to prove.
don't know jack shit about the mental health act. but i'm guessing it somehow relates to the false imprisonment.
basically, i don't know if you're taking this to the county, the state, or plan to appeal (after losing to the state which you will) to the federal court. but you're wasting your time. the courts take in 1000s upon 1000s of cases. and reject the majority. yours is not important enough for them to care about to review it.
| ControlAltDelete wrote: | are you delusional and you're not actually doing any of these things?
don't be a talix/shrooms |
CEF goes through periods:
~10 years ago underage teens that all wanted to be hackers
~? years ago most grow out of this and realize computer science is boring as shit or too hard for their brains. but the desire to still seem smarter than everyone else is strong with these ones. so now, they use online arguments to prove their dominance
~5-6 years ago after years of hearing of my drug use more and more curious members begin experimenting
now. enough time has passed from using drugs that the brain damage of that drug (ab)use is starting to show itself |
You obviously know nothing about involuntary commitment laws
According to the UN Conventions for the treatment of persons with mental illness, involuntary commitment can only be carried out if there is an immediate risk of harm to self/others, and may not be done simply for convenience sake (99% of caregivers and doctors take this route, including school mental health professionals because it is faster than routine appointments). Just a mental health diagnosis or other preexisting issues alone cannot form the basis for an involuntary commitment.
Under the Mental Health Act, patients at risk are detained or restrained, not imprisoned, so it is not false imprisonment. The rest of your bullshit falls apart without me having to write essays (unlike your case)
Clearly, you're the one suffering from brain damage because you actually did heroin and xanax, and you are projecting your insecurities by calling out people who went through early intervention programs.
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lmfao, on reddit i'd get banned |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | involuntary commitment can only be carried out if there is an immediate risk of harm to self/others |
how is "immediate risk of harm to self/others" explicitly defined?
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TheIndianGuy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Brolock wrote: | | Quote: | | involuntary commitment can only be carried out if there is an immediate risk of harm to self/others |
how is "immediate risk of harm to self/others" explicitly defined? |
its not always an obvious/straight forward answer. usually determined by the police innitially then gurther looked at more closely by doctors once in the hospital. after a series of questions and evaluation the patient has calmed down and doesnt appear to be a threat and is released.
but when detained by police thr can determine if youre a threat and usually its pretty aparant for them to make their decision. if theyre being violent, fighting the cops, using assault (which is a threat of harming someone not physical. which is why you hear the term verbal assault a lot). not to be confused with battery which is physically touching someone without their permission.
but typically either theyre acting violent or making verbal threats to others (witnesses that usually are the ones who call the cops) which can be and is usually further strengthened by displaying the same violent behavior towards the cops.
so basically its a nudgement call. the word immediate is big in this. as in at the time they are being taken to the mental hospital. not after theyve been there a day or two, calmed down and been evaluated.
rhis is typically called being 51-50d. where they detain you for 72 hours. they have a legal right to do so if they suspect you are a immediate threat just like if a store suspects you of shoplifting even if you didnt shoplift anything (even if you arent an immediate threat) they have the right to detain you for a reasonable amount of time in a reasonable way. ex. asking you to come to the back to see your receipt for what you purchased.
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HitIer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Brolock wrote: | | Quote: | | involuntary commitment can only be carried out if there is an immediate risk of harm to self/others |
how is "immediate risk of harm to self/others" explicitly defined? |
Risk of physical harm. If there is a plan and the means to carry out that plan.
| TheIndianGuy wrote: | | Brolock wrote: | | Quote: | | involuntary commitment can only be carried out if there is an immediate risk of harm to self/others |
how is "immediate risk of harm to self/others" explicitly defined? |
its not always an obvious/straight forward answer. usually determined by the police innitially then gurther looked at more closely by doctors once in the hospital. after a series of questions and evaluation the patient has calmed down and doesnt appear to be a threat and is released.
but when detained by police thr can determine if youre a threat and usually its pretty aparant for them to make their decision. if theyre being violent, fighting the cops, using assault (which is a threat of harming someone not physical. which is why you hear the term verbal assault a lot). not to be confused with battery which is physically touching someone without their permission.
but typically either theyre acting violent or making verbal threats to others (witnesses that usually are the ones who call the cops) which can be and is usually further strengthened by displaying the same violent behavior towards the cops.
so basically its a nudgement call. the word immediate is big in this. as in at the time they are being taken to the mental hospital. not after theyve been there a day or two, calmed down and been evaluated.
rhis is typically called being 51-50d. where they detain you for 72 hours. they have a legal right to do so if they suspect you are a immediate threat just like if a store suspects you of shoplifting even if you didnt shoplift anything (even if you arent an immediate threat) they have the right to detain you for a reasonable amount of time in a reasonable way. ex. asking you to come to the back to see your receipt for what you purchased. |
This is false. I was cleared of the 72 hour hold in less than six hours
It depends on how you answer the questions and whether you have a good lawyer
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TheIndianGuy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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and who are they going to believe? you a mentally insane person who claims they werent harm to themsleves and others? or the cop and the person who called the cop which determined you are a harm. theyre going to side with the cop and the third party witness
"but i was only held 70 hours, not 72 youre dumb"
its up to 72 hours. does it mean it will take them the full 72 hours to determine this? of course not could you calm down in a few hours and be released a few hours after, say within 6 hours. definitely.
you can say im wrong. doesnt even matter. my post was more to humor you and make fun of you. because it doesnt matter. all i can do is show you why youre wrong. even if you took it to court and lost youd still believe youre right.
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HitIer
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:27 pm Post subject: |
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | and who are they going to believe? you a mentally insane person who claims they werent harm to themsleves and others? or the cop and the person who called the cop which determined you are a harm. theyre going to side with the cop and the third party witness
"but i was only held 70 hours, not 72 youre dumb"
its up to 72 hours. does it mean it will take them the full 72 hours to determine this? of course not could you calm down in a few hours and be released a few hours after, say within 6 hours. definitely.
you can say im wrong. doesnt even matter. my post was more to humor you and make fun of you. because it doesnt matter. all i can do is show you why youre wrong. even if you took it to court and lost youd still believe youre right. |
You don't get it. I'm not contesting whether or not I was at risk. I'm contesting the fact that they detained someone without trial or appointing legal services. This is actually very rare and there is only one known case, of a paranoid schizophrenic getting out of the hospital via habeas corpus. Basically it says that if you haven't committed a crime, you cannot be detained. Hospitals break this law and therefore, infringe on constitutional rights. Lots of slaves in early America had similar lawsuits in pursuit of liberty. Some even won.
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lmfao, on reddit i'd get banned |
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TheIndianGuy
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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i get it. and you wont win. ive already stated that thry can detain you if suspect youre at risk. the reason they detained you is because they determined youre a risk. its as simple as that. it stops there. they dont have to give you a trial or provide legal services.
if you win your lawsuit i will take back what i said and admit to being wrong. but i am just going off the information weve been givrn which probably is biased and doesnt give us the whole story.
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HitIer
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| TheIndianGuy wrote: | they dont have to give you a trial or provide legal services.
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lmfao, on reddit i'd get banned |
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TheIndianGuy
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| right just like in jail. when arrested is there a judge sitting at his chair patiently for you to come in so he can hear your case? nothey detain you (process you set up court date) for up to 72 hours (not including weekends) before going to court and before being convicted of anything or proven guilty on anything youve been convicted of. thats the way itworks. did they feel it was appropriate to take you to court in front of a judge and have you commited to a mental hospital long term? clearly not. there was no need for a court hearing and no need to hold you longer than 6 hours. everything they did was what is considered reasonable.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| konr wrote: | | CleverBot wrote: |
Clearly not since you commented on it |
good logic telling you i don't care about your details must mean that i do care about it, not that i'm trying to let you know that no one gives a shit about your problems. |
writing walls = caring
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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| quiela wrote: | | konr wrote: | | CleverBot wrote: |
Clearly not since you commented on it |
good logic telling you i don't care about your details must mean that i do care about it, not that i'm trying to let you know that no one gives a shit about your problems. |
writing walls = caring |
caring about what he has to say != caring enough about the fact that he's spamming the forum with garbage to tell him that no one cares.
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