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potaters Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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there is no widespread corruption in the US.
corrupt politicians eventually get impeached and prosecuted |
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Kurifodo I post too much
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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You don't need a fucking gun.
Reasons for "needing" a gun:
1) "I need to protect my family!" Against WHAT? When was the last time some dude broke into your house trying to cause harm? American's are fucking paranoid about this shit, as if crime is widespread as fuck and they could be next. I blame sensationalist news. If you have a gun in your house, you're actually putting your family in more harm, because more often than not, a young person harms themselves or someone else with a gun before it's used to protect the family.
2) "If someone has a gun, and you don't, you lose" In any kind of altercation in which someone pulls a gun on you, you're already out of options. If someone is aiming a gun at your head, then there's not enough time to pull out your own. If that's not the case, then there are a large number of powerful, non-lethal means to incapacitate someone without the need to blow them to bits.
3) "We need them in case the government needs to be overthrown" Top. Fucking. Kek. This might have been the case when the 2nd amendment was introduced. If all the people had muskets and that shit, the government would have to work for them, because an uprising would be difficult to put down. That's why we escaped Britain, because it was the time of big wooden ships and gunpowder and muskets.
Today, the goverment could fry you and your entire "army" from space, if they'd like, they could blow you up with drones, they could watch you and everyone on of your soldier's every move from above. You're not winning any wars with your handguns and rifles, those days are long over, and you're lying to yourself if you believe the people could ever mount a violent revolution to protest a corrupt government in America at this point.
4) "The right to bear arms is in the constitution! It's part of the Bill of Rights! We can't change that!" Except the whole point of the constituion is that it's a living document, and can have amendments. So, we definitely can do it, slap an amendment 28: repeals amendment 2 and we're done. It's not like because they came up with the idea when they founded the country that it has to remain the same forever.
tl;dr: No one really needs guns, American's just have an unhealthy obsession with them, which is why we have so many massacres. |
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Cake-san Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| When there is power,there is resposibility.The higher the power,the higher the risk and the more advantage you will get if you use it right. |
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STN I post too much
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Sakujo wrote: | | When there is power,there is resposibility.The higher the power,the higher the risk and the more advantage you will get if you use it right. |
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Euphorical Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | You don't need a fucking gun.
Reasons for "needing" a gun:
1) "I need to protect my family!" Against WHAT? When was the last time some dude broke into your house trying to cause harm? American's are fucking paranoid about this shit, as if crime is widespread as fuck and they could be next. I blame sensationalist news. If you have a gun in your house, you're actually putting your family in more harm, because more often than not, a young person harms themselves or someone else with a gun before it's used to protect the family.
2) "If someone has a gun, and you don't, you lose" In any kind of altercation in which someone pulls a gun on you, you're already out of options. If someone is aiming a gun at your head, then there's not enough time to pull out your own. If that's not the case, then there are a large number of powerful, non-lethal means to incapacitate someone without the need to blow them to bits.
3) "We need them in case the government needs to be overthrown" Top. Fucking. Kek. This might have been the case when the 2nd amendment was introduced. If all the people had muskets and that shit, the government would have to work for them, because an uprising would be difficult to put down. That's why we escaped Britain, because it was the time of big wooden ships and gunpowder and muskets.
Today, the goverment could fry you and your entire "army" from space, if they'd like, they could blow you up with drones, they could watch you and everyone on of your soldier's every move from above. You're not winning any wars with your handguns and rifles, those days are long over, and you're lying to yourself if you believe the people could ever mount a violent revolution to protest a corrupt government in America at this point.
4) "The right to bear arms is in the constitution! It's part of the Bill of Rights! We can't change that!" Except the whole point of the constituion is that it's a living document, and can have amendments. So, we definitely can do it, slap an amendment 28: repeals amendment 2 and we're done. It's not like because they came up with the idea when they founded the country that it has to remain the same forever.
tl;dr: No one really needs guns, American's just have an unhealthy obsession with them, which is why we have so many massacres. |
You want to know why? Because most people are not stupid enough to because they know they gunna catch a fucking bullet if they do. As for the second point, that's what safety's are for and safes.
As for massacres that's a moot point, because anyone and everyone has the means to cause one regardless of having 'guns' or not, be it bombs, outbreaks, or other weapons.
I could go on a massacre with a fukin nail gun and kill plenty of people
or a chainsaw or a machete or anything a car even
i guess we should ban all of those just because people have access to them
At the end of the day a weapon is a tool, no matter how you look at it or how you use it; it is a tool.
And with all tools they require proper training for use, and that is the single and sole problem with it all. |
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br0l0ck Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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yea let me put my gun in a safe and then when someone breaks in ill just run up stairs, unlock it, and then pull it out and load it and turn the safety off
you could go on a massacre with a nail gun or chainsaw or whatever, but none of them are nearly as efficient or as easy as guns. theres a reason why guns exist and wars are fought with them instead of nail guns and chainsaws, because they're the most efficient tools at killing people quickly
i dont support taking away guns though, the world is more exciting with shootings etc. |
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Brolock wrote: | yea let me put my gun in a safe and then when someone breaks in ill just run up stairs, unlock it, and then pull it out and load it and turn the safety off
you could go on a massacre with a nail gun or chainsaw or whatever, but none of them are nearly as efficient or as easy as guns. theres a reason why guns exist and wars are fought with them instead of nail guns and chainsaws, because they're the most efficient tools at killing people quickly
i dont support taking away guns though, the world is more exciting with shootings etc. | Both those points exactly. Not only that, but people aren't avoiding breaking into your house because they know you own guns and are afraid of you It hasn't happened because you're living in the single safest point in the entirety of human history, and seriously don't need a gun.
Even in such an unlikely situation, what's wrong with a stun gun/tazer? Shoots incredibly fast still, incapacitates whoever you're aiming at, and has the added bonus of not killing him. Americans are in love with the idea of being the triggerman gunning down an intruder for some reason.
"A gun is a tool and requires proper training and that's the sole problem" is not true. The problem is how easy it is to get guns, virtually anyone can get them, and that's why we keep having massacres. Massacres with guns. You're just being flippant by acting like because if you wanted to you could do damage with a nail gun that we should be watchful of those too. If nail guns and real guns are pretty much the same amount of efficiency, then use a nail gun to protect yourself.
The only legitimate reason I could see for someone wanting to own a gun is a shotgun/rifle for hunting. |
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br0l0ck Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| yea killing living creatures for fun seems pretty legit |
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Aniblaze Grandmaster Cheater Supreme
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't understand the obsession Americans have with guns. Why do you need them so badly? Is it the thought that somebody else has them, so you have to have one too, or else you're not safe? It's incredibly tard. Are you not seeing the never-ending loop you're in? |
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teeigeryuh Master Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| potaters wrote: | there is no widespread corruption in the US.
corrupt politicians eventually get impeached and prosecuted | the memest _________________
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Brolock wrote: | | yea killing living creatures for fun seems pretty legit | There are a lot of people who hunt for food still. |
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Euphorical Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have 4 guns, I have never been convicted of a crime. I live in a rural area, I have never shot at or injured anyone with them. I have no intent on doing so.
Why is it soo hard for you to understand that weapons can exist in a society when they are enforced and regulated.
I can way more efficiently create a bomb and kill hundreds of people and depending where thousands of people.
And you said it yourself we are in one of the safest times in history
and that is with guns, not having them isn't going to change a thing |
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HackOtaku I posted the 500000th topic
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Eᅚᅚ wrote: | I have 4 guns, I have never been convicted of a crime. I live in a rural area, I have never shot at or injured anyone with them. I have no intent on doing so.
Why is it soo hard for you to understand that weapons can exist in a society when they are enforced and regulated.
I can way more efficiently create a bomb and kill hundreds of people and depending where thousands of people.
And you said it yourself we are in one of the safest times in history
and that is with guns, not having them isn't going to change a thing |
When an isolated, mentally unstable man can legally purchase the arsenal he requires for his attempt at infamy, there is a problem. I'm not saying take all the guns away, even though I do believe they are unnecessary and cause more harm than good, I'm saying we need to be way stricter on who has access to them, and not have this mindset that it's our god-given right to own a man-slayer. |
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Euphorical Cheater
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Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| HackOtaku wrote: | | Eᅚᅚ wrote: | I have 4 guns, I have never been convicted of a crime. I live in a rural area, I have never shot at or injured anyone with them. I have no intent on doing so.
Why is it soo hard for you to understand that weapons can exist in a society when they are enforced and regulated.
I can way more efficiently create a bomb and kill hundreds of people and depending where thousands of people.
And you said it yourself we are in one of the safest times in history
and that is with guns, not having them isn't going to change a thing |
When an isolated, mentally unstable man can legally purchase the arsenal he requires for his attempt at infamy, there is a problem. I'm not saying take all the guns away, even though I do believe they are unnecessary and cause more harm than good, I'm saying we need to be way stricter on who has access to them, and not have this mindset that it's our god-given right to own a man-slayer. |
and I agree with that 100% where i draw the line is no one allowed to purchase and own
also there already is laws against mentally unstable people |
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