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AverageAzn247 Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Adnihil wrote: | Well, I ended up fixing a lot of software and hardware issues with my laptop and now it runs OK again. Got some extra money saved up and a new job, so I'll be building a desktop PC after all. I'm still trying to decide on which processor I would get though.
First I was gonna get an AMD FX 8350 since it has a high clock speed, low price, and 8 cores. However, when comparing benchmarks with an Intel Core i7 4770, the i7 scores a lot higher even though it has a lower clock speed and only 4 cores.
Even when comparing it to an i5 4590 (which has an even lower clock speed), the i5 scores higher.
Why is this?
Also, I heard that you shouldn't cheap out on a motherboard but I don't see why not? As long as everything's compatible, what does it matter if you have an expensive or a cheap motherboard? I googled around a bit but couldn't find any definitive answer to this. | The reason is that AMD cpus are shit and aren't rly 8 cores. They are getting sued atm for their "8 cores". Get a i5 4690k. There no dif between i5/i7 for gaming. Also make sure u get a k version which means u can overclock
| cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
edit: but srs tbh if ur gonna buy a 500 dollar laptop, i rather you just build a pc with no gpu and only an i7 and bear with it, because at least then you arent wasting money
ill answer everything i can remember in your post
amd cpus < intel cpus even though more cores, why?
intel just has more efficient cycles in terms of processing, so even with less cores, they will always score higher until amd gets gud (never)
motherboard cheap out, why not?
i always cheap out on motherboard, unless people actually need a decent motherboard for overclocking/the features on the motherboard
overclocking: some motherboard companies have more reliable, higher quality capacitors and such on the board
tl;dryou're paying for features + brand name reliability
thats why people will sometimes buy more expensive motherboards
after reading again, it seems you didnt want an i7 after all, you were just comparing
i dont think you're someone who is going to be rendering a lot because otherwise you'd already have an i7 workstation because render times are horrendous on shitboxes & laptops
so im going to just update my reply with an i5 build soon with $500 USD budget
i just need you to reply with whether or not you need a monitor and peripherals
assuming you dont want an i3 since you keep talking about futureproofing or someone did in this thread so im going with i5 as planned and you aren't a neet so ill just assume ur budget isnt shit
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($309.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:10 EST-0500
to play anything, but if you're going for non-intensive stuff like csgo, league, just get something half the price like a 380 lol |
I would recommend getting a better monitor, atx mobo, and mid tower case. Theres not rly a reason to get miniatx unless u want something small. ATX gives more u room to add shit like a second gpu/wifi card.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-21-5--Backlit-Monitor/dp/B00TJQX9D6/ref=sr_1_18?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447113165&sr=1-18&keywords=monitor&refinements=p_36%3A1253506011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570747011
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132400
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102&ignorebbr=1
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3003113/components-processors/lawsuit-alleges-amds-bulldozer-cpus-arent-really-8-core-processors.html
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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adnihil is probably fine with just an i3 lol
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| AverageAzn247 wrote: | | Adnihil wrote: | Well, I ended up fixing a lot of software and hardware issues with my laptop and now it runs OK again. Got some extra money saved up and a new job, so I'll be building a desktop PC after all. I'm still trying to decide on which processor I would get though.
First I was gonna get an AMD FX 8350 since it has a high clock speed, low price, and 8 cores. However, when comparing benchmarks with an Intel Core i7 4770, the i7 scores a lot higher even though it has a lower clock speed and only 4 cores.
Even when comparing it to an i5 4590 (which has an even lower clock speed), the i5 scores higher.
Why is this?
Also, I heard that you shouldn't cheap out on a motherboard but I don't see why not? As long as everything's compatible, what does it matter if you have an expensive or a cheap motherboard? I googled around a bit but couldn't find any definitive answer to this. | The reason is that AMD cpus are shit and aren't rly 8 cores. They are getting sued atm for their "8 cores". Get a i5 4690k. There no dif between i5/i7 for gaming. Also make sure u get a k version which means u can overclock
| cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
edit: but srs tbh if ur gonna buy a 500 dollar laptop, i rather you just build a pc with no gpu and only an i7 and bear with it, because at least then you arent wasting money
ill answer everything i can remember in your post
amd cpus < intel cpus even though more cores, why?
intel just has more efficient cycles in terms of processing, so even with less cores, they will always score higher until amd gets gud (never)
motherboard cheap out, why not?
i always cheap out on motherboard, unless people actually need a decent motherboard for overclocking/the features on the motherboard
overclocking: some motherboard companies have more reliable, higher quality capacitors and such on the board
tl;dryou're paying for features + brand name reliability
thats why people will sometimes buy more expensive motherboards
after reading again, it seems you didnt want an i7 after all, you were just comparing
i dont think you're someone who is going to be rendering a lot because otherwise you'd already have an i7 workstation because render times are horrendous on shitboxes & laptops
so im going to just update my reply with an i5 build soon with $500 USD budget
i just need you to reply with whether or not you need a monitor and peripherals
assuming you dont want an i3 since you keep talking about futureproofing or someone did in this thread so im going with i5 as planned and you aren't a neet so ill just assume ur budget isnt shit
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($309.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:10 EST-0500
to play anything, but if you're going for non-intensive stuff like csgo, league, just get something half the price like a 380 lol |
I would recommend getting a better monitor, atx mobo, and mid tower case. Theres not rly a reason to get miniatx unless u want something small. ATX gives more u room to add shit like a second gpu/wifi card.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-21-5--Backlit-Monitor/dp/B00TJQX9D6/ref=sr_1_18?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447113165&sr=1-18&keywords=monitor&refinements=p_36%3A1253506011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570747011
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132400
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102&ignorebbr=1
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3003113/components-processors/lawsuit-alleges-amds-bulldozer-cpus-arent-really-8-core-processors.html |
i just auto recommend a micro atx everytime because most of the time people don't end up getting a mobo that can even support sli or getting anything else in their pci-e slots
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AverageAzn247 Grandmaster Cheater
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| cokefag wrote: | | AverageAzn247 wrote: | | Adnihil wrote: | Well, I ended up fixing a lot of software and hardware issues with my laptop and now it runs OK again. Got some extra money saved up and a new job, so I'll be building a desktop PC after all. I'm still trying to decide on which processor I would get though.
First I was gonna get an AMD FX 8350 since it has a high clock speed, low price, and 8 cores. However, when comparing benchmarks with an Intel Core i7 4770, the i7 scores a lot higher even though it has a lower clock speed and only 4 cores.
Even when comparing it to an i5 4590 (which has an even lower clock speed), the i5 scores higher.
Why is this?
Also, I heard that you shouldn't cheap out on a motherboard but I don't see why not? As long as everything's compatible, what does it matter if you have an expensive or a cheap motherboard? I googled around a bit but couldn't find any definitive answer to this. | The reason is that AMD cpus are shit and aren't rly 8 cores. They are getting sued atm for their "8 cores". Get a i5 4690k. There no dif between i5/i7 for gaming. Also make sure u get a k version which means u can overclock
| cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
edit: but srs tbh if ur gonna buy a 500 dollar laptop, i rather you just build a pc with no gpu and only an i7 and bear with it, because at least then you arent wasting money
ill answer everything i can remember in your post
amd cpus < intel cpus even though more cores, why?
intel just has more efficient cycles in terms of processing, so even with less cores, they will always score higher until amd gets gud (never)
motherboard cheap out, why not?
i always cheap out on motherboard, unless people actually need a decent motherboard for overclocking/the features on the motherboard
overclocking: some motherboard companies have more reliable, higher quality capacitors and such on the board
tl;dryou're paying for features + brand name reliability
thats why people will sometimes buy more expensive motherboards
after reading again, it seems you didnt want an i7 after all, you were just comparing
i dont think you're someone who is going to be rendering a lot because otherwise you'd already have an i7 workstation because render times are horrendous on shitboxes & laptops
so im going to just update my reply with an i5 build soon with $500 USD budget
i just need you to reply with whether or not you need a monitor and peripherals
assuming you dont want an i3 since you keep talking about futureproofing or someone did in this thread so im going with i5 as planned and you aren't a neet so ill just assume ur budget isnt shit
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($309.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:10 EST-0500
to play anything, but if you're going for non-intensive stuff like csgo, league, just get something half the price like a 380 lol |
I would recommend getting a better monitor, atx mobo, and mid tower case. Theres not rly a reason to get miniatx unless u want something small. ATX gives more u room to add shit like a second gpu/wifi card.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-21-5--Backlit-Monitor/dp/B00TJQX9D6/ref=sr_1_18?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447113165&sr=1-18&keywords=monitor&refinements=p_36%3A1253506011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570747011
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132400
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102&ignorebbr=1
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3003113/components-processors/lawsuit-alleges-amds-bulldozer-cpus-arent-really-8-core-processors.html |
i just auto recommend a micro atx everytime because most of the time people don't end up getting a mobo that can even support sli or getting anything else in their pci-e slots | but the extra pcie slots r useful. U never know when u want to add something like a wifi card, ssd, or usb hubs.
| quiela wrote: | | adnihil is probably fine with just an i3 lol |
He probby get bottlenecked by it in AAAgames. Its easier to upgrade the gpu compared to the cpu.
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cokefag Master Cheater
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Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| AverageAzn247 wrote: | | cokefag wrote: | | AverageAzn247 wrote: | | Adnihil wrote: | Well, I ended up fixing a lot of software and hardware issues with my laptop and now it runs OK again. Got some extra money saved up and a new job, so I'll be building a desktop PC after all. I'm still trying to decide on which processor I would get though.
First I was gonna get an AMD FX 8350 since it has a high clock speed, low price, and 8 cores. However, when comparing benchmarks with an Intel Core i7 4770, the i7 scores a lot higher even though it has a lower clock speed and only 4 cores.
Even when comparing it to an i5 4590 (which has an even lower clock speed), the i5 scores higher.
Why is this?
Also, I heard that you shouldn't cheap out on a motherboard but I don't see why not? As long as everything's compatible, what does it matter if you have an expensive or a cheap motherboard? I googled around a bit but couldn't find any definitive answer to this. | The reason is that AMD cpus are shit and aren't rly 8 cores. They are getting sued atm for their "8 cores". Get a i5 4690k. There no dif between i5/i7 for gaming. Also make sure u get a k version which means u can overclock
| cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
edit: but srs tbh if ur gonna buy a 500 dollar laptop, i rather you just build a pc with no gpu and only an i7 and bear with it, because at least then you arent wasting money
ill answer everything i can remember in your post
amd cpus < intel cpus even though more cores, why?
intel just has more efficient cycles in terms of processing, so even with less cores, they will always score higher until amd gets gud (never)
motherboard cheap out, why not?
i always cheap out on motherboard, unless people actually need a decent motherboard for overclocking/the features on the motherboard
overclocking: some motherboard companies have more reliable, higher quality capacitors and such on the board
tl;dryou're paying for features + brand name reliability
thats why people will sometimes buy more expensive motherboards
after reading again, it seems you didnt want an i7 after all, you were just comparing
i dont think you're someone who is going to be rendering a lot because otherwise you'd already have an i7 workstation because render times are horrendous on shitboxes & laptops
so im going to just update my reply with an i5 build soon with $500 USD budget
i just need you to reply with whether or not you need a monitor and peripherals
assuming you dont want an i3 since you keep talking about futureproofing or someone did in this thread so im going with i5 as planned and you aren't a neet so ill just assume ur budget isnt shit
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($226.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Signature 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($33.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($43.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card ($309.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-14 DVD/CD Writer ($13.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer S220HQLAbd 60Hz 21.5" Monitor ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $890.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-09 10:10 EST-0500
to play anything, but if you're going for non-intensive stuff like csgo, league, just get something half the price like a 380 lol |
I would recommend getting a better monitor, atx mobo, and mid tower case. Theres not rly a reason to get miniatx unless u want something small. ATX gives more u room to add shit like a second gpu/wifi card.
http://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-21-5--Backlit-Monitor/dp/B00TJQX9D6/ref=sr_1_18?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1447113165&sr=1-18&keywords=monitor&refinements=p_36%3A1253506011%2Cp_n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin%3A6570747011
mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132400
case : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146102&ignorebbr=1
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3003113/components-processors/lawsuit-alleges-amds-bulldozer-cpus-arent-really-8-core-processors.html |
i just auto recommend a micro atx everytime because most of the time people don't end up getting a mobo that can even support sli or getting anything else in their pci-e slots | but the extra pcie slots r useful. U never know when u want to add something like a wifi card, ssd, or usb hubs.
| quiela wrote: | | adnihil is probably fine with just an i3 lol |
He probby get bottlenecked by it in AAAgames. Its easier to upgrade the gpu compared to the cpu. |
for the people i've built for:
100% have not gotten a pci-e wifi card, they always opt for a usb one if they do get it
100% dont get pci-e ssd's, they always opt for sata ones
90% didnt get a sound card and the one guy who did didn't even need it and it was a waste of money
plus the back of these microatx cases have 4 grates, a gpu takes up 2 slots, there's enough room for another item
edit: oh i see now, that specific mobo i chose only has the shit pci-e slots other than the gpu one
yeah i would get a different one then
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Alex. I post too much
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| cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
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What Toronto area do you live in?
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| Alex. wrote: | | cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
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Alex. I post too much
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| cokefag wrote: | | Alex. wrote: | | cokefag wrote: | get a dildo and shove it up your nose xD
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So.... Jane & Finch?
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